The Creation vs Evolution debate thread...

[antikristuseke]

Originally Posted by Fish

I'm missing Dr. Kent Hovind in the Advisory Panel.

He has about as much right to claim a doctorate as I do.

[Stealth Hunter]

Of course, we can never forget Banana Man, Ray Comfort:



Your ignorance is so appalling, sir, that you deserve to be shot. No- not just for your ignorance, but for your intentional and failed dishonesty.

[antikristuseke]

Let us not forget peanut butter man.

[NeonSamurai]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Of course, we can never forget Banana Man, Ray Comfort:



Your ignorance is so appalling, sir, that you deserve to be shot. No- not just for your ignorance, but for your intentional and failed dishonesty.

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

Let us not forget peanut butter man.

Ok now my head hurts

[jimbob]

Sorry but t.l.d.r.

Im not into religion.

Im not too smart to be a scientist.

With that said, Heil Xenu!

It is hard to see/understand/believe how from nothingess something suddenly exploded and some time later, here I type.

But mostly I have issues with religion/cults, being it whatever of sort.
And there are many.

I got a cure, vaccine of sorts for it but nobody wants to hear it.

So hear goes, read and weep:

Just for starters, hows about we just teach different religions in schools for kids.
The catch is, one can not "join" a cult or whatever before adulthood.
No forcing it by parent's or anything. Sort of like the thing with booze.
That would be a good start IMO.

Being a good folks, morals could surely be thought without hanging into bibles or what have we.

So there.




And don't even get me started on $cientology.



So there, Im selling the point of "I don't know", The Ultimate Doubt.

But I still think the science is the way to go from now on.


Folks can believe whatever they want.
Im just wishing they don't start forcing it down my throat.
Especially as The Ultimate Thruth.

Live and let live.

[Fish]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

He has about as much right to claim a doctorate as I do.

His doctoral dissertation.

Young-earth creationist Kent E. Hovind's doctoral dissertation.
"Hello, my name is Kent Hovind. I am a creation/science evangelist. I live in Pensacola, Florida. I have been a high school science teacher since 1976. I've been very active in the creation/evolution controversy for quite some time."

http://wikileaks.org/wiki/Young-eart...l_dissertation

[vedrand]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Creationism relies on a literal interpretaion of the bible about the nature of the planet and a solid belief that it is infallible.
Since it is very easy to show the bible is wrong then creationism makes no sense......end of topic.

[August]

This very cool video pretty much shows that creationist theory can't be as simple as that:

The Known Universe by the American Museum of Natural History:

[Biggles]

Originally Posted by August

This very cool video pretty much shows that creationist theory can't be as simple as that:

The Known Universe by the American Museum of Natural History:

The video was very cool indeed (!), but can you develop your argument?

[Nicolas]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Throw a dice.

i was talking about the topic...
This world, and animlas, plants, couldnt exist the way it is by random chance. C'mon, you write so smart. If someone disarm a tv and throw it in a box, add or substract millions of components shake it for 1000 billion years, when it will get functional again? thats my point.

if you give more than a dime to what the bible says, Romans 1:18 talk about:

From heaven God shows how angry he is with all the wicked and evil things that sinful people do to crush the truth. 19They know everything that can be known about God, because God has shown it all to them. 20God's eternal power and character cannot be seen. But from the beginning of creation, God has shown what these are like by all he has made. That's why those people don't have any excuse. 21They know about God, but they don't honor him or even thank him. Their thoughts are useless, and their stupid minds are in the dark. 22They claim to be wise, but they are fools. 23They don't worship the glorious and eternal God. Instead, they worship idols that are made to look like humans who cannot live forever, and like birds, animals, and reptiles.
24So God let these people go their own way. They did what they wanted to do, and their filthy thoughts made them do shameful things with their bodies. 25They gave up the truth about God for a lie, and they worshiped God's creation instead of God, who will be praised forever. Amen.

[Nicolas]

About natural selection, who select a better way to evolve? if there is some sort of thing that do natural design, that thing is wiser and smarter than ourselves.

An animal has a mutation, that mutation, results to be useful, the 'natural selection', the will to live or i dont know decides that this thing must be part of the genoma, so the next generation will have it, but no... to make a nice change to evolve, it will need a lot of small error or random chances, who decides that 1000 little random chances to put them together and finish with a 'evolution'.

I'm using logic, instead of participate in the disscussion, i could talk about God himself, but that preaching right, and is not welcome? or yes?.

[Morts]

you have yet to proove that evolution doesnt take place nicolas,
and quoting the bibles prooves nothing

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Nicolas

About natural selection, who select a better way to evolve? if there is some sort of thing that do natural design, that thing is wiser and smarter than ourselves.

An animal has a mutation, that mutation, results to be useful, the 'natural selection', the will to live or i dont know decides that this thing must be part of the genoma, so the next generation will have it, but no... to make a nice change to evolve, it will need a lot of small error or random chances, who decides that 1000 little random chances to put them together and finish with a 'evolution'.

I'm using logic, instead of participate in the disscussion, i could talk about God himself, but that preaching right, and is not welcome? or yes?.

That's a very big "if". But by merely mentioning it you then continue by taking it as granted. That has nothing to do with "logic", but means taking man-made hear-say as proven fact.

And you probably assume right: just preaching about gods is not welcomed by not so few people around here, and you can expect an angry debate and a thread probably going up in flames (wouldn't be the first one). You are free to believe whatever you want, most people here would not care or wish that they must not care or even take notice - as long as you keep it where it belongs: in your private sphere. the relation between yourself and the object of your belief is an intimate one and thus a private concern of yours, so keep it private, then. If you think you must bestow the world with what you just believe, and go public over it, expect to take Flak from people not sharing your beliefs. that's how the world goes: every action has reaction and whatever force you inflict, returns.

As much as evolution is concerned, it is a theory that for the most brings known observations of ours into a better model than other theories we tested. To do so - forming theories oin the basis of making best use of what we already know - is the essence of science. Religion claims that questions are not needed since it holds all the ultimate answers. Science asks questions and checks the answers again and again, sometimes chnaging themtherefore, admitting that it does not hold ultimate truths. Religious dogma and scientific theory are totally exclusive to each other, they are almost antagonistic. If you want to abolish the theory of evolution, you must come up with a better model that brings the elements of our knowledge so far into better relation to each other, or you have to prove that the mechanisms of life developing as described by the theory of evolution, is wrong for this and that reason that can be checked, verified and replicated.

Just believing something - is not good enough to get any of these jobs done. Proof, please!

[Nicolas]

Originally Posted by vedrand

Who creates the creationism like you described?
For believers the bible and God is enough to accept that He created the universe. The bible says is bad for a man the lack of science. It's not right to put facts and science away. God and science are a perfect match; he knew how to create an universe, and your soul...

[Nicolas]

You want proof? a big one?
God says that he will not reject you if you come to him.
You need to do it with humility.
Have faith and ask sincerely to him that you really need to know if he exist, that you are unsure. That you invite him to talk with you, to show to you, you wont hear him, or see things, the eye to see God is in the spirit.
Jesus said that if you knock the door the door will open.

If i can't talk this, please sorry but this topic is totally useless.