The Creation vs Evolution debate thread...

[Stealth Hunter]

[antikristuseke]

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

So, respect for others is out the window in this thread, thanks

[antikristuseke]

Everyone has been pretty respectful so far, don't see why a few images would change that.

[August]

Apparently Stealth Hunter's hatred for Christians extends far beyond just the Creationists.

[antikristuseke]

OH those poor persecuted christians...
Personally i have a beef with every organized religion out there.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

Everyone has been pretty respectful so far, don't see why a few images would change that.

Escalation. I've seen it many times in the Internet.

[August]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

OH those poor persecuted christians...
Personally i have a beef with every organized religion out there.

So what does your problem have to do with the topic of this thread?

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by August

Apparently Stealth Hunter's hatred for Christians extends far beyond just the Creationists.

Originally Posted by August

So what does your problem have to do with the topic of this thread?

Hatred? What hatred? There's been no such thing here. If you can't see that for yourself, well- that sucks; but it's not going to stop me from posting a few pictures I find funny. Furthermore, what does my problem, assuming I had one, with Christianity have to do with the topic of this thread?

Which reminds me:

Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Escalation. I've seen it many times in the Internet.

Though it hasn't exploded yet. And unlikely it will. I had no problem with the "Evolutionists" demotivator, you didn't have any problem with the Biblical circular logic image, yet there's something wrong with a Christianity demotivator and zombie apostles shopped image?

What about this?



Or this?




EDIT:

I thought the last one was cute and funny at the same time, from a textual perspective.

[antikristuseke]

Originally Posted by August

So what does your problem have to do with the topic of this thread?

Nothing at all.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by Stealth Hunter

Though it hasn't exploded yet. And unlikely it will. I had no problem with the "Evolutionists" demotivator, you didn't have any problem with the Biblical circular logic image, yet there's something wrong with a Christianity demotivator and zombie apostles shopped image?

Well, I guess it helps us know more about you.

[Letum]

Is this the after-thread party?

[karamazovnew]

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

I think you've got your "creationists" (theists) and your "evolutionists" (atheists) the wrong way around. Without fear of death, who needs fairy stories? But whatever... if it gives you strength you go right on believing that death is really just a magical door to a happy place where everyone is super nice.

Agnostic Creationists such as myself believe that the original universe was created in its original form by a deity of some form, but that the identity of said deity is unknown or impossible to prove. The Creation and the Afterlife are not so tightly linked as atheists might like to think. They only draw power from our inability to ponder the meaning of Nothing, the one before life and the one after it.

Recent physics theories have pushed this question even further. In an age of such wonderful advances, the search for the start of existence (creation of Mass in the universe), the meaning of life and the long death of all existence are all a single entity. There is a slight possibility that scientists will prove that this Universe is merely a burning match in another greater Mega Universe. They might very well reach the end of possible research, a recursive theory that explains everything and nothing at the same time.

At that time, passionate atheists will have a hard time to explain how their view can be viewed as scientific Truth and not as a simple Belief, like all others. Any final belief is wrong, and the bad part about atheism is that it's an end to all questions, not a start. I was one myself until I started asking new questions and found even less philosophical support that the one Christianity gave me. In the end, the best philosophy is this : "Question everything. Learn something. Answer nothing."

The Gettier problem applies to all "Final Solution" religions and beliefs.
Christianity (Bible):
- God exists
- S believes that God exists
- if God exists, S (because the Bible says he exists) would believe that God exists
- if God doesn't exist, S (because the Bible doesn't say he exists OR because the Bible says that God doesn't exist) wouldn't believe that God exists.

Since the last condition is not true, it means that Christians have no knowledge of the existence of god, purely based on the Bible.

Atheists (science):
- God doesn't exist
- S believes that God doesn't exist
- if God doesn't exist, S (because there is scientific proof that he doesn't exist) would believe that God doesn't exist
- if God does exist, S (because there is scientific proof that he exists) would believe that God exists.

Since there is no scientific proof that God doesn't exist, an atheist cannot yet claim knowledge of this fact.

Agnostics (proof):
- God is unknown or unknowable.
- S believe that God is unknowable.
- If God is unknowable, S (because there is no proof of God) would believe that god is unknowable.
- If God is knowable, S (because there is proof of God) wouldn't believe that God is unknowable.

Which is true. Since agnostics do not try to put a face on God and take as only proof of his existence the existence of the Universe itself, they are not wrong.

Agnostics:
- God created the Universe (or, the Universe was created, or the Universe exists)
- S believes that God created the Universe
- If God did create the Universe, S (because the Universe exists) would believe that God created the Universe
- If God didn't create the Universe, S (because the Universe doesn't exist, therefore S doesn't exist) wouldn't believe that God created the Universe.

This is almost a form of "I exist therefore I think, I think therefore I exist."

Man.. my head hurts

[NeonSamurai]

You should probably define yourself as an Agnostic Theist, not an Agnostic, as plain agnostics neither believe nor disbelieve in a deity or deities as there is no proof either way. Agnostic Theists believe there is a deity or deities, but as you say they do not try to explain it in humanistic terms as such entities are unknowable.

[IanC]

Here's my much researched theory results;
1. God may exist.
2. God may not exist.
Nobody knows. Period.