jamal Khashoggi murdered by Saudi agents - Page 10

Buddahaid · 11-21-18, 08:23 PM

Just went through that to get my real ID driver's license so I could use it to fly domestically and in the process you are also required to re-register to vote.

Of course all the illegal aliens just picked them up out of a candy jar so they could vote the democratic ticket....

Rockstar · 11-21-18, 10:13 PM

I didn't have a clue where my birth certificate was so I used my Passport. It had been expired maybe a year. Idiots at the MVA in Maryland said they couldn't use it as proof of citizenship because it was expired. So I had to renew it before they would issue a drivers license.

I work immigration for years, never in my life have I heard anyone before tell me an expired U.S. passport could not be used to validate citizenship. But it is the Maryland Eastern Shore and they aren't the brightest bulbs in the lamp store.

Land of the free

Buddahaid · 11-22-18, 01:20 AM

I have a notarized birth certificate that I had to get years ago to get my passport which is currently expired. Otherwise I would have had to jump through the hoops in a different county all over again.

Mr Quatro · 12-01-18, 03:59 PM

Smoking gun (pun)

https://www.yahoo.com/news/saudi-pri...185155362.html

Saudi prince was in constant touch with Khashoggi hit-squad boss: report

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Washington (AFP) - In the hours leading up to journalist Jamal Khashoggi's brutal killing, Saudi Arabia's crown prince sent at least 11 messages to his closest advisor who was charged with overseeing the murder, the Wall Street Journal said Saturday quoting a CIA assessment.

Catfish · 12-01-18, 04:12 PM

^ it will not change the stance of the US, or Trump. I can understand why but it's really hard to take.
If he's clever maybe Trump can use the public opinion towards MBS as a leverage to achieve (read: enforce) an advantage in negotiations?

Maybe, to make an example, there'll be a sniper at the G20.. or a bit later in S.A. One can hope.

Rockstar · 12-01-18, 07:38 PM

What really bothers me the most about the articles I've been reading is how the CIA is making these claims. IMO they are attempting to subvert our elected officials and dictate foreign policy to their liking.

If I'm not mistaken the CIA is supposed to report their findings to the officials elected by the people and they make the decisions.

Jimbuna · 12-02-18, 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

What really bothers me the most about the articles I've been reading is how the CIA is making these claims. IMO they are attempting to subvert our elected officials and dictate foreign policy to their liking.

If I'm not mistaken the CIA is supposed to report their findings to the officials elected by the people and they make the decisions.

There could well be something in what you say

Aktungbby · 12-02-18, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by AKBBY

I SEE 15 SECURITY PERSONS PUBLICALLY LOSING THEIR HEADS AND THE PRINCE (MBS) REPLACED IF NOT ASSASSINATED ....SHORTLY. OL' KING SALMON IS IN A TOUGH SPOT, NEEDS TO RECONSIDER HIS CHOICE OF HEIR; AND HE KNOWS IT....

I 'M STILL WAITING FOR 14 EXECUTIONS (ONE OF THE 15 DIED IN A CAR ACCIDENT?) AND THE REMOVAL OF THE PRINCE SO THAT AT LEAST THEIR OWN LAW WILL APPEAR TO BE UPHELD... THE SAUDI PROSECUTOR IS SEEKING THE DEATH PENALTY AGAINST ONLY FIVE OF THEM....

Catfish · 12-02-18, 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

[...] how the CIA is making these claims. IMO they are attempting to subvert our elected officials and dictate foreign policy to their liking.
If I'm not mistaken the CIA is supposed to report their findings to the officials elected by the people and they make the decisions.

A CIA conspiracy! Against Trump !!
Good for them

On the other hand it could be an intended media echo to give Trump more leverage in the G20 against Mohammad Bin Salman, and future deals.

Dowly · 12-04-18, 05:42 PM

After CIA briefing, Republicans say 'no question' Saudi crown prince ordered Khashoggi murder

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Following a briefing by CIA director Gina Haspel Tuesday on the murder of Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi, leading Republican senators told reporters that there was "zero question" that Saudi Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman ordered the brutal murder.

Senate Foreign Relations Chairman Sen. Bob Corker, a Tennessee Republican, said "I have zero question in my mind that the Crown Prince MBS ordered the killing, monitored the killing, knew exactly what was happening. Planned it in advance. If he was in front of a jury he would be convicted in 30 minutes. Guilty," Corker said.

Corker called the Trump administration's claim that there is no direct evidence of the crown prince's involvement "unacceptable."

Catfish · 12-05-18, 02:23 AM

Was or is there any doubt that Bin Salman is directly responsible for the torture, and killing?
It is one thing to make "Realpolitik" like Trump, but publicly saying that MBS is innocent is a bit rich.

"If your actions do not resemble your principles, it is time to rethink them."

Jimbuna · 12-07-18, 11:28 AM

Matters seem to have quietened down

August · 12-07-18, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Matters seem to have quietened down

Of course. The good Senators were asked what they should do about the situation! As we all know it's a lot easier just to criticize the actions of someone else than to actually come up with a better plan.

Jimbuna · 12-23-19, 11:07 AM

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A court in Saudi Arabia has sentenced five people to death and jailed three others over the murder of the journalist Jamal Khashoggi last year.

Khashoggi, a prominent critic of the Saudi government, was killed inside the kingdom's consulate in the Turkish city of Istanbul by a team of Saudi agents.

The Saudi authorities said it was the result of a "rogue operation" and put 11 unnamed individuals on trial.

A UN expert said the trial represented "the antithesis of justice".

"Bottom line: the hit-men are guilty, sentenced to death. The masterminds not only walk free. They have barely been touched by the investigation and the trial," Special Rapporteur Agnes Callamard wrote on Twitter.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-50890633

No doubt the Saudis will view this as the end of the matter but I doubt that view will be shared by many other countries.

Skybird · 12-23-19, 11:14 AM

Pawn sacrifice.

11-21-18, 08:23 PM	#136
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,561 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	Just went through that to get my real ID driver's license so I could use it to fly domestically and in the process you are also required to re-register to vote. Of course all the illegal aliens just picked them up out of a candy jar so they could vote the democratic ticket.... __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

11-21-18, 10:13 PM	#137
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,856 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I didn't have a clue where my birth certificate was so I used my Passport. It had been expired maybe a year. Idiots at the MVA in Maryland said they couldn't use it as proof of citizenship because it was expired. So I had to renew it before they would issue a drivers license. I work immigration for years, never in my life have I heard anyone before tell me an expired U.S. passport could not be used to validate citizenship. But it is the Maryland Eastern Shore and they aren't the brightest bulbs in the lamp store. Land of the free __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time.

11-22-18, 01:20 AM	#138
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,561 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	I have a notarized birth certificate that I had to get years ago to get my passport which is currently expired. Otherwise I would have had to jump through the hoops in a different county all over again. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

12-01-18, 04:12 PM	#140
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ it will not change the stance of the US, or Trump. I can understand why but it's really hard to take. If he's clever maybe Trump can use the public opinion towards MBS as a leverage to achieve (read: enforce) an advantage in negotiations? Maybe, to make an example, there'll be a sniper at the G20.. or a bit later in S.A. One can hope. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

12-01-18, 07:38 PM	#141
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,856 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	What really bothers me the most about the articles I've been reading is how the CIA is making these claims. IMO they are attempting to subvert our elected officials and dictate foreign policy to their liking. If I'm not mistaken the CIA is supposed to report their findings to the officials elected by the people and they make the decisions. __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time. Last edited by Rockstar; 12-01-18 at 10:24 PM.

12-05-18, 02:23 AM	#146
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Was or is there any doubt that Bin Salman is directly responsible for the torture, and killing? It is one thing to make "Realpolitik" like Trump, but publicly saying that MBS is innocent is a bit rich. "If your actions do not resemble your principles, it is time to rethink them." __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

12-07-18, 11:28 AM	#147
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12-23-19, 11:14 AM	#150
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