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skidman · 01-27-21, 06:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

The EU was cheated on. And I'm on a mission.

That's it.

Schaum vorm Mund und keine Argumente.

Skybird · 01-27-21, 07:00 PM

Then fetch yourself a towel, and think harder.

Catfish · 01-28-21, 02:35 AM

Skybird is on a mission to defy reality when it comes to the EU. And i do not want "to appear rude" either, but seldom have i read and heard so much bullsh!it about the EU, be it from Skybird or in those russian brexit propaganda videos posted in the UK thread. Not that i cared to watch the last 20 or so of those

Thanks but no thanks.

Catfish · 01-28-21, 02:39 AM

A few hundred dollars fine? I don't think so. Egoistic scumbag.

"Canadian mogul fined after getting Covid vaccine meant for Indigenous residents"

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...rtkSYX4h3DTs78

Skybird · 01-28-21, 03:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Catfish

Skybird is on a mission to defy reality when it comes to the EU. And i do not want "to appear rude" either, but seldom have i read and heard so much bullsh!it about the EU, be it from Skybird or in those russian brexit propaganda videos posted in the UK thread. Not that i cared to watch the last 20 or so of those

Thanks but no thanks.

The more one leans to the one side, the more the rest of the world appears to be on the other side. In my book the amount of reality denial in your euphemistic EU views rates as "legendary".

Catfish · 01-28-21, 03:23 AM

"Last August, the EU made an upfront payment of €336 million ($409 million) to the Anglo-Swedish pharmaceutical company — the bloc’s first COVID-19 vaccine deal — in order to expand production and secure 300 million doses of the drug developed by AstraZeneca and Oxford University. EU officials speaking with Reuters news agency last week said the bloc could expect a 61% cut to its order, meaning it may only receive as few as 31 million doses. AstraZeneca has said “initial volumes will be lower than originally anticipated due to reduced yields at a manufacturing site within our EU supply chain.”"

And this "manufacturing site" belongs to – Astra Zeneca. What a surprise.
Does not matter, all the EU's fault of course.

edit: Indeed there are two Astra Zeneca production facilities within the EU, and it is those two which generate less yield, so it may be just bad luck.
Anyway there is no need to accuse anyone, all did what they thought was best at the time being, inckluding A-Z. The EU did not instantly allow the vaccinations with any vaccine before it was not thoroughly tested also for very old people, England just began without that. So they were lucky (which is not Johnson's merit), but it could have backfired badly.

"Robert Yates, director of the global health program at the Chatham House think tank in London, said the EU-AstraZeneca dispute highlights the danger of “vaccine nationalism” as countries compete for limited supplies.
“For politicians, this is red hot. And, you know, unfortunately, what we’re seeing as well is that Brexit politics is playing into this,'' he said"

Regarding conspiracy theories ..
https://listverse.com/2020/01/12/10-...uropean-union/

Skybird · 01-28-21, 05:43 AM

If the two sides would have an interest to convince-by-facts the public of their cause, they would make the treaty's text public.

And this, again.

https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...postcount=6077

ikalugin · 01-28-21, 06:42 AM

I wish we had better data on the quantity of vaccinated in Russia.

https://tass.ru/obschestvo/10529815
Official figures (on 23rd) were 2,1m doses delivered, 7,6m made (as of 23rd).

Russia has 146,6m people.

Skybird · 01-28-21, 07:53 AM

The tone in Germany gets rougher.

https://translate.google.com/transla...ven-ld.1598476

( https://www.nzz.ch/international/in-...ven-ld.1598476 )

Skybird · 01-28-21, 08:16 AM

https://www.dw.com/en/opinion-german...tus/a-56364826

Opinion: Germany has lost its pandemic role model status

The coronavirus has raged for a year now and there seems to be no end in sight. Germany is no longer considered as an example of good pandemic management. But the worst could still be to come, says Rosalia Romaniec.

Some crematoriums in Germany are running out of room for coffins amid the pandemic

In most reviews of the current situation in Germany, there is one question that tops the list: Were the 50,000 deaths in the pandemic so far really unavoidable? Most people don't seem to think so. But one is always wiser after the event.
Increasingly, we are hearing Chancellor Angela Merkel and other officials saying that they should have acted earlier and should have done more. In view of the latest figures, there is no doubt that something went wrong. For almost nine months, the number of COVID-19-related deaths remained below 10,000, but it has multiplied by five in just two months.

Lulled into complacency

In the fall, Germany underestimated the new coronavirus. After Germany managed the pandemic well at the beginning and was rightly held up internationally as a model, some people in the country started thinking, "We're better at it than the rest." That was overconfident, not to say arrogant.

DW's Rosalia Romaniec

This is because there was one factor primarily responsible for Germany's "better" performance — the science-based approach taken by the German chancellor. Because Angela Merkel listened to her scientific advisers more than to her political advisers, Germany went into lockdown early enough in March, thus preventing a many infections and deaths. Despite mistakes and a shortage of masks, Germany's initial response to the pandemic was prudent and pragmatic. Prevention was the key word — the "better safe than sorry" strategy worked.

Unforgivable situation in care homes

At least, it did to a great extent. However, there has also been unforgivable damage done. The ruthless implementation of the regulations in care homes, for example, caused terrible human distress. For months, people were left to die alone because visits were banned. Loved ones were unable to say goodbye and will live for the rest of their loves with the pain and grief. This mistake caused a great deal of harm to people's confidence in the government — and also did little to fight the virus.
The situation in Germany's care homes remains a scandal in other ways, too. Most of those who have died of COVID-19 — up to 86% in some cities and regions — were elderly people who lived in care facilities. It is not clear why the number is so high and why so few of them are brought to hospital after being infected by the virus. This is untenable.

Chancellor Angela Merkel has always wanted to follow scientific advice in the pandemic

Spotlight on ongoing failures

The crisis has put the spotlight on everything that politicians have ignored in recent years. Now, these things are is coming back to roost — things like digitalization, for example. If the government had been more serious about digital infrastructure earlier, many more people could now be productive working from home and would not risk getting infected on their way to or in the office. This holds true for much of the business sector, but also for the huge apparatus that is Germany's public administration. The situation of schoolchildren and teachers would have been much less chaotic if they had more bandwidth and better internet connectivity at home, as well as digital lesson plans. Germany is far from being able to provide structured schooling for all pupils at the moment.
It is too early to draw overall conclusions: We are still in the middle of the crisis. It does not make sense to criticize those in charge and play the blame game either. But those in power, and society, will be forced to learn lessons from the pandemic and its consequences. Among other things, they will have to take it to heart that half-baked solutions do not work in a crisis. A "light lockdown" is as useless as strict regulations that don't stand up in court.
Nobody can say how long the pandemic will last, and we do not know what havoc the new mutations will wreak. But one thing is already certain: Just hoping is not enough to manage such a situation. To resolve a crisis, the worst has to be assumed from the start. Otherwise, the worst will be precisely what happens.

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Marked in red: meine Rede!

Skybird · 01-28-21, 08:31 AM

Covid Performance Index, a study from Sydney, AUS.

https://interactives.lowyinstitute.o...d-performance/

Skybird · 01-28-21, 08:37 AM

Apparently confirmed: German health authorities will allow the Astra Zeneca vaccine only for people under the age of 65.

https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/...-17169561.html

Jimbuna · 01-28-21, 09:21 AM

Wouldn't have been my choice of headline but this article pretty much sums up were we are presently imho.

Quote:

How the UK's vaccine gamble paid off – and the EU left itself without a leg to stand on https://ampgoo.com/how-the-uk-s-vacc...eg-to-stand-on

Jimbuna · 01-28-21, 09:23 AM

Jimbuna · 01-28-21, 09:27 AM

01-27-21, 07:00 PM	#6092
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,493 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Then fetch yourself a towel, and think harder. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

01-28-21, 02:35 AM	#6093
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Skybird is on a mission to defy reality when it comes to the EU. And i do not want "to appear rude" either, but seldom have i read and heard so much bullsh!it about the EU, be it from Skybird or in those russian brexit propaganda videos posted in the UK thread. Not that i cared to watch the last 20 or so of those Thanks but no thanks. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

01-28-21, 02:39 AM	#6094
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	A few hundred dollars fine? I don't think so. Egoistic scumbag. "Canadian mogul fined after getting Covid vaccine meant for Indigenous residents" https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...rtkSYX4h3DTs78 __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

01-28-21, 03:23 AM	#6096
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	"Last August, the EU made an upfront payment of €336 million ($409 million) to the Anglo-Swedish pharmaceutical company — the bloc’s first COVID-19 vaccine deal — in order to expand production and secure 300 million doses of the drug developed by AstraZeneca and Oxford University. EU officials speaking with Reuters news agency last week said the bloc could expect a 61% cut to its order, meaning it may only receive as few as 31 million doses. AstraZeneca has said “initial volumes will be lower than originally anticipated due to reduced yields at a manufacturing site within our EU supply chain.”" And this "manufacturing site" belongs to – Astra Zeneca. What a surprise. Does not matter, all the EU's fault of course. edit: Indeed there are two Astra Zeneca production facilities within the EU, and it is those two which generate less yield, so it may be just bad luck. Anyway there is no need to accuse anyone, all did what they thought was best at the time being, inckluding A-Z. The EU did not instantly allow the vaccinations with any vaccine before it was not thoroughly tested also for very old people, England just began without that. So they were lucky (which is not Johnson's merit), but it could have backfired badly. "Robert Yates, director of the global health program at the Chatham House think tank in London, said the EU-AstraZeneca dispute highlights the danger of “vaccine nationalism” as countries compete for limited supplies. “For politicians, this is red hot. And, you know, unfortunately, what we’re seeing as well is that Brexit politics is playing into this,'' he said" Regarding conspiracy theories .. https://listverse.com/2020/01/12/10-...uropean-union/ __________________ >^..^<)))>{ All generalizations are wrong. Last edited by Catfish; 01-28-21 at 06:58 AM.*

01-28-21, 05:43 AM	#6097
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,493 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	If the two sides would have an interest to convince-by-facts the public of their cause, they would make the treaty's text public. And this, again. https://www.subsim.com/radioroom/sho...postcount=6077 __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

01-28-21, 06:42 AM	#6098
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	I wish we had better data on the quantity of vaccinated in Russia. https://tass.ru/obschestvo/10529815 Official figures (on 23rd) were 2,1m doses delivered, 7,6m made (as of 23rd). Russia has 146,6m people. __________________ Grumpy as always.

01-28-21, 07:53 AM	#6099
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,493 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	The tone in Germany gets rougher. https://translate.google.com/transla...ven-ld.1598476 ( https://www.nzz.ch/international/in-...ven-ld.1598476 ) __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

01-28-21, 08:16 AM	#6100
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,493 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	https://www.dw.com/en/opinion-german...tus/a-56364826 Opinion: Germany has lost its pandemic role model status The coronavirus has raged for a year now and there seems to be no end in sight. Germany is no longer considered as an example of good pandemic management. But the worst could still be to come, says Rosalia Romaniec. Some crematoriums in Germany are running out of room for coffins amid the pandemic In most reviews of the current situation in Germany, there is one question that tops the list: Were the 50,000 deaths in the pandemic so far really unavoidable? Most people don't seem to think so. But one is always wiser after the event. Increasingly, we are hearing Chancellor Angela Merkel and other officials saying that they should have acted earlier and should have done more. In view of the latest figures, there is no doubt that something went wrong. For almost nine months, the number of COVID-19-related deaths remained below 10,000, but it has multiplied by five in just two months. Lulled into complacency In the fall, Germany underestimated the new coronavirus. After Germany managed the pandemic well at the beginning and was rightly held up internationally as a model, some people in the country started thinking, "We're better at it than the rest." That was overconfident, not to say arrogant. DW's Rosalia Romaniec This is because there was one factor primarily responsible for Germany's "better" performance — the science-based approach taken by the German chancellor. Because Angela Merkel listened to her scientific advisers more than to her political advisers, Germany went into lockdown early enough in March, thus preventing a many infections and deaths. Despite mistakes and a shortage of masks, Germany's initial response to the pandemic was prudent and pragmatic. Prevention was the key word — the "better safe than sorry" strategy worked. Unforgivable situation in care homes At least, it did to a great extent. However, there has also been unforgivable damage done. The ruthless implementation of the regulations in care homes, for example, caused terrible human distress. For months, people were left to die alone because visits were banned. Loved ones were unable to say goodbye and will live for the rest of their loves with the pain and grief. This mistake caused a great deal of harm to people's confidence in the government — and also did little to fight the virus. The situation in Germany's care homes remains a scandal in other ways, too. Most of those who have died of COVID-19 — up to 86% in some cities and regions — were elderly people who lived in care facilities. It is not clear why the number is so high and why so few of them are brought to hospital after being infected by the virus. This is untenable. Chancellor Angela Merkel has always wanted to follow scientific advice in the pandemic Spotlight on ongoing failures The crisis has put the spotlight on everything that politicians have ignored in recent years. Now, these things are is coming back to roost — things like digitalization, for example. If the government had been more serious about digital infrastructure earlier, many more people could now be productive working from home and would not risk getting infected on their way to or in the office. This holds true for much of the business sector, but also for the huge apparatus that is Germany's public administration. The situation of schoolchildren and teachers would have been much less chaotic if they had more bandwidth and better internet connectivity at home, as well as digital lesson plans. Germany is far from being able to provide structured schooling for all pupils at the moment. It is too early to draw overall conclusions: We are still in the middle of the crisis. It does not make sense to criticize those in charge and play the blame game either. But those in power, and society, will be forced to learn lessons from the pandemic and its consequences. Among other things, they will have to take it to heart that half-baked solutions do not work in a crisis. A "light lockdown" is as useless as strict regulations that don't stand up in court. Nobody can say how long the pandemic will last, and we do not know what havoc the new mutations will wreak. But one thing is already certain: Just hoping is not enough to manage such a situation. To resolve a crisis, the worst has to be assumed from the start. Otherwise, the worst will be precisely what happens. ------------- Marked in red: meine Rede! __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

01-28-21, 08:31 AM	#6101
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,493 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Covid Performance Index, a study from Sydney, AUS. https://interactives.lowyinstitute.o...d-performance/ __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

01-28-21, 08:37 AM	#6102
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,493 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Apparently confirmed: German health authorities will allow the Astra Zeneca vaccine only for people under the age of 65. https://www.faz.net/aktuell/politik/...-17169561.html __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

01-28-21, 09:23 AM	#6104
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