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11-12-22, 05:54 PM | #1 |
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Dallas Airshow Collision
A B17 and a P63 collided today. I don't think there were any survivors.
https://www.npr.org/2022/11/12/11363...ision-faa-ntsb
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11-12-22, 06:17 PM | #2 |
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That's terrible.
I would be surprised if anyone could survive that.
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11-12-22, 06:23 PM | #3 |
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Invite the devil for a dance, but dont be surprised if he he puts up a tune that makes your dancing feet burn hotter than you like.
Tragic. Unneeded.
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11-12-22, 08:49 PM | #4 |
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That's terrible and a shame
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11-12-22, 09:17 PM | #5 |
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What strike me is it looks like nothing more than a bad mistake. Both aircraft look controlled and stable so I'm guessing the P63 pilot just couldn't see the B17 during his turning maneuver.
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11-12-22, 09:54 PM | #6 |
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Sure looks like it. I’m no investigator but at first glance it seems as though the B17 was under the nose of the P-63. Sad day.
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11-12-22, 10:22 PM | #7 | |
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11-12-22, 10:26 PM | #8 |
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what it looks like,lost of lives and two old birds seem like b-17 that is flyable getting hard to find if i remember
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11-13-22, 05:33 AM | #9 |
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So tragic
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11-13-22, 06:36 AM | #10 |
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Kind of my first impression, too. The P-63 pilot I think misjudged the distance between his wing and the bomber. Humans are imperfect. Errors happen. Thats why I think it is not smart to artifically and unneededly reduce margins for possible errors to zero. Sometimes you catch the bear - sometimes the bear catches you.
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11-13-22, 07:08 AM | #11 |
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Terrible.
"did not see the other plane" ? – during flight being aware of airspace around your plane and general situation awareness is mandatory, especially during air shows and formation flying.. so could also be a technical fault from a snapped wire to whatnot.
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11-13-22, 07:46 AM | #12 |
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Some good footage of the B-17 and the crewmen involved just before the incident; I suppose some of the people shown in this video lost their lives. Also several other WWII aircraft from different countries.
They clearly put on a good show before the disaster - aviation regs aren't really my thing, so I can't speculate about what mistake(s) were made beyond the obvious.
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11-13-22, 07:55 AM | #13 |
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There will come changes to these shows.
I could very well imagine following-When one plane is in the air no other can be in the surroundings of the area where the first plane is doing its demonstration for the spectators Further more the first plane is doing its demonstration away from the crowd-Like they have in Sweden. Markus
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11-13-22, 08:08 AM | #14 | |
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I think the only consolation about this incident is that it was not like Ramstein, no dozens of spectators killed by airplane parts - it could have been much worse.
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11-13-22, 10:10 AM | #15 |
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One would think but several times I have found a pedestrian in a crosswalk moving at exactly the right speed to stay hidden behing the A pillar of my car when I was making a left turn. The video shows a similar thing happening where the B17 remains directly in front and just below the nose of the P63.
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