US Politics Thread 2016-2020

[JU_88]

Um well I dont know about the Dems doign the 'things right' in recent times.


The same dems that collectively:

Support 'peaceful protests' (large helping of salt there) then when they find out its not popular with the masses - they support law and order suddenly.

Defend black block Antifa types burning businesses And even offer to post their bail if Democrate D.A's even charge them at all.

Sympathise with 'defund the police' a bit too much, the solution to bad policing is obviously better policing not less policing - which obviously just leads to a spike in crime.

Pander to identiarian critical race theory nonsense. While states they have controlled for Decades smolder from race riots and face an exodus in record numbers (before the wild fires)

Support racial segregation (so long as its intended to create safe a space for POCs.) but the out come is no less devisive or different than the KKK's idea of segregation

Advocate for things like The green new deal, I mean really, have you read that?

Pro TIPP?

Played down covid early 2020 but now lambast trump for not doing enough? (Pelosi in particular)

Generally put the needs of non-U.S citizens above or on par with actual US citizens. (No nation on earth is reasonably expected to do that)

Rather than campaign on what they could do better - seem to be stuck at 'Here's why Trump is the bad guy. '


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Yeah maybe they did get it right once upon a time, but they look like quite the car crash at the moment. Even next to Trump.
They are actually making the guy look good - and that really takes some doing!
Perhaps in their quest to be the 'polar opposite' of trump in every respect has perhaps driven them insane?

I have little doubt they have already lost the 2020 election.
Where/ what is the positive message the dems offer to the average American?
When your main talking point is your enemy. You have already lost IMO.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by vienna

I wasn't arguing "family values" & "law and order" weren't lofty principle; I was, however, stating if you are going to claim principles and/or their defense, you had better be prepared to actually be enforcing adherence to those principles; "family values" are not being defended or upheld when your 'flag-bearer' has a very long and sordid history of moral depravity nor is "law and order" being honored when that same 'flag-bearer' has an equally long history of skirting and breaking the law and continues to be the target of numerous criminal investigations ...

Of course this brings up a rather obvious question. Are you suggesting that the Evangelical voters in 2016 should have cast their votes for the other candidate? Or vote for Joe Biden in 2020? I don't believe that these people think that Donald Trump is a morally upright man. That is not why they voted for and support him. Special interest groups are going to vote for the person they think will at least make an attempt to promise and fulfill their political and social issues. Perhaps you are suggesting that if the perfect moral character can't be found that they shouldn't vote at all. Would you hold yourself to that same standard? Or would you do what these people are doing, voting for a candidate that they hope will fulfill their political goals?

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by vienna

Neal, nice try, but no cigar...


I'm not a Democrat and if you look at my posts, I vary rarely, if ever, "defend" them; once, some long time ago, in a thread far, far away, someone called me to task saying I was "defending" DEMs because I didn't ....
As an Independent, I don't 'defend' any party or political partisanship, but I will point out when a falsehood or distortion of facts does occur if no one else will and if I feel it is constructive in any degree; again silence is not agreement...

If the GOP wants to be taken seriously about their Flag-wrapped (but hollow) platitudes, then they have to grow a spine and clean house and maintain the standards they claim to have; if they did, who knows... I might just decide to join a party...


Now, go find some Democrats to hound about their hypocrisy...




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If it walks like a duck,.... You may not be a democrat by admission... we hear about the GOP from you consistently but you're oddly quiet about dems.

[August]

Joe Rogan offers to host a presidential debate with the following rules:


No audience, staffers or teleprompters just Rogan, Trump and Biden in a room talking policy for four hours. Trump immediately accepted. Biden has not responded so far.

[Buddahaid]

As long as we the people get to see it unedited it will be the comedy smash of the year. I'm ready.

[Onkel Neal]

Originally Posted by August

Joe Rogan offers to host a presidential debate with the following rules:


No audience, staffers or teleprompters just Rogan, Trump and Biden in a room talking policy for four hours. Trump immediately accepted. Biden has not responded so far.

Awww that's beautiful!!

And no teleprompters to answer pre=selected interview questions!





"And uh, in addition to that, uh, in addition to that, we have to, uh, make sure that we uh, we are in a position that we are, well, let me, let me go to the second thing. I've spoke enough on that."

Come on, scroll up!

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Skybird, when I do a google search for this topic, why does only non-MSM outlets report it?

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[Catfish]

Trump would be no rival for any reasonable intelligent human being (what Biden of course is), but Biden's health problems will accompany him in this debate and in a presidency.. not a good idea.

Trump as a notorious liar is as sympathetic as any bragger and poser. If i were to have a "discussion" with Trump alone i would pack my boxing gloves

[JU_88]

I hear Trump has accepted to go Joe Rogans platform,
I hope Biden will to (if he is able)

That would be very cool if they did, much better enviroment than the presidential debates, they would have to the reduce the rehtoric and bravado and have an actual honest conversation. Something I'm sure they are both capable of.

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Trump would be no rival for any reasonable intelligent human being (what Biden of course is), but Biden's health problems will accompany him in this debate and in a presidency.. not a good idea.

Trump as a notorious liar is as sympathetic as any bragger and poser. If i were to have a "discussion" with Trump alone i would pack my boxing gloves

If he cant win any argument against any intelligent human being, why would you need boxing gloves' and isnt that posing? :P

people usually resort violence when
a) They lost the argument.
and
b) They cant control their emotions

Ok I know you were jesting, but it is that sentiment (Political violence is acceptable against those i disagree with) that is very much a real problem at the moment.
We are supposed to be smarter than that.

[Catfish]

You are right. AND i was of course jesting but ..
being smart against the school bully does no get you far. Some people only understand certain action.
T cannot control HIS emotions.
T is anything but smart.

A healing punch usually breaks the blockade, unfortunately T's father did not do it in time

[JU_88]

Sure, being smart wont help you vs a violent bully,
But Trumps not really a violent bully. He got the presidency using words and he can potentially lose or keep it also using words.
Words can cause or esculate violence, but they are not violence Unless its direct order or textbook incitement


(not some vague interpretation)
Trumps not good with his words at all, I find him unpleasent at times, but not evil. I dont see him TRYING / Motivated to phycially harm someone or some people.
Any more that his predecors.

Im not saying hes a good guy, but The portait of him as some evil /hilter/dictator is (so far) not a fair or accurate assement to anyone sane.
Some People lose their minds over Trump be of what they enterpret he represents on ideolgical level.

[u crank]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Some People lose their minds over Trump be of what they enterpret he represents on ideolgical level.

I would say that you are quite correct. And to be fair the same could be said about how people on the Right view the ideolgical policies of President Obama, Hillary Clinton, Joe Biden and Kamala Harris.

It's time to stop looking at personal behavior and examine policy. Neither Trump's twitter habits or Biden's declining health will effect how people live. But their policies will.

[Skybird]

Its the system.

Practically all of what you guys talk of, are just symptoms.

"Does really nobody wants to know what the Matrix is?"

[Onkel Neal]

The Matrix was a silly sci-fi movie. They used humans to create energy...? Dumb. They should have used cows,more energy and less pushback.

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Awww that's beautiful!!

And no teleprompters to answer pre=selected interview questions!




"And uh, in addition to that, uh, in addition to that, we have to, uh, make sure that we uh, we are in a position that we are, well, let me, let me go to the second thing. I've spoke enough on that."

Come on, scroll up!

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Joe Biden's handlers know Joe is not up to the task of a debate. They also know he is not up to the task of running a country. What they(Pelosi and co) do know that he will be easily controlled if elected. Joe really does appear to not have control of his cognitive facilities.