Here we go again-Ukraine once again

[Dargo]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Who cares? I hope he does not only lose his face.


I think he won't. Sure he loves to escalate, but this would make him a pariah also in the eyes of China, and he cannot afford a two-front war.
If he does also people in St. Peterburg and Moscow will feel how it is being at war.
I almost wish he would.

China has said to Putin going nuclear is a no-go they do not want a world economic crisis

[nikimcbee]

Did they say what was hit in Kyiv?

[Skybird]

The nuklear threat I take as an empty threat currently, and Putler has raised os many threats and then did not act on them when the West dleoivered ever more wepaons that now he is unbelievable.


However. I said that for me the test on the nuclera threat is when he looses Crimea. Crimea is the biggest piece of the cake in this war so far, and if he looses that, then his loss of face indeed will be a problem - in Russia. Loosing Crimea would be a PR deaster of utmost relevance for him, worse than anythign else that has ahppened so far and that went not according to plans.


We check the nuclear thing again when the Ukrainians march on Sevastopol. Then even Puztin nows that all is lost and that he has no chance to even pohysiclaly surivive any longer. Desperate old men do desperate stupid things. An by appeals or threats and warnings of the Russians therefore must be directed not at Putin, but the other mobsters at the top of the Kremlin's food chain.



Putin - forget about Putin, he is done anyway. The rats would not have come out of their holes to place their bids for the top power seat if they would not have seen from close range that the big master is no longer the master in his house, and that his reign is about to end. Trust the rats I do - at least on this one issue.

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Robbery of Ukrainian museums by occupiers has become largest since World War II - The New York Times

Russian occupants stole tens of thousands of artworks and historical exhibits, including antiquities, in Ukraine.

This is stated in article of The New York Times, reports Censor.NЕТ with reference to LegueBusinessInform.

The invaders illegally seized dozens of thousands of exhibits from museums in the temporarily occupied territories of Ukraine - from ancient Scythian gold to modern avant-garde works, the newspaper writes. According to experts interviewed by the newspaper, this is the largest theft of works of art since the Second World War.

At the same time, experts believe that the purpose of this theft is not only to seize material and historical values, but also to deprive Ukraine of its cultural heritage.

The publication writes that according to the prosecutor's office and museums of Ukraine, only in Kherson, Russians stole more than 15,000 objects of art and historical significance. According to available data, the occupiers robbed or completely destroyed more than 30 museums, including in Mariupol, Melitopol and Kherson. These figures refer only to the part of cultural property that has been documented, so it is expected that the actual scale of theft is much higher.

According to eyewitnesses (security guards and museum staff), the looting was centralized and systematic, with exhibits being seized under the guidance of Russian specialists.

According to James Ratcliffe, senior advisor to The Art Loss Register (an organization that searches for stolen art objects), this is the implementation of a plan prepared in advance by the occupiers. "This is not the same as if a soldier hid a silver bowl in his backpack," he said.

At the same time, according to Ratcliffe, every international auction house that receives items from Ukraine will check them extremely carefully.

The publication notes that international organizations, including UNESCO and Interpol, have been dealing with art objects and historical exhibits stolen by the occupiers from Ukrainian museums since 2014, when Russians seized the funds of Ukrainian museums in the temporarily occupied Crimea. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3393504

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NATO-Russia relations will not normalize after war in Ukraine - Stoltenberg

NATO has ruled out normalization of relations with Russia after the war in Ukraine.

NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg in an interview to a German newspaper Handelsblatt expressed the opinion that normalization of relations between the West and Russia is impossible even after the end of the war unleashed by the country against Ukraine, reports Censor.NЕТ with reference to UNIAN.

"It will not be as before. Even if the guns are silenced in Ukraine, we should not expect that our relations with Russia will normalize," Stoltenberg said. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3393507

Ambassador Bodnar: Turkish elections will not change country’s approach to relations with Ukraine

The presidential and parliamentary elections in Turkey to be held in June 2023 will not change the country’s approach to the development of relations with Ukraine, Ambassador to Turkey Vasyl Bodnar said.

He stated this in an interview with "Ukrinform", reports Censor.NЕТ.

The Ambassador noted that the pre-election rhetoric in Turkey is more focused on internal than on external issues.

"Our task is to maintain the existing level of strategic partnership. I don't see any signs that could indicate changes in any approaches to the development of cooperation with Ukraine. Fortunately, none of the political forces in the political struggle uses the theme of Ukraine to somehow question the existing level of cooperation between Ukraine and Turkey," Bodnar said.

In his opinion, "elections will pass, but interests will remain", as they are mutual and based on practical things: increasing trade turnover, strengthening defense capabilities, increasing cultural exchange.

The ambassador also said that Turkish President Recep Erdogan has made a lot of efforts to strengthen the strategic partnership with Ukraine, and his role is "one of the key ones".

"What will be the vision of other political forces for the development of relations with Ukraine, we will see after the elections," Bodnar added. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3393511

I propose Scholz to give Ukraine 93 Tornado aircrafts that are being decommissioned - Melnyk

Former Ambassador to Germany, Deputy Minister of Foreign Affairs of Ukraine Andriy Melnyk proposed to the Federal Chancellor of Germany Olaf Scholz to hand over 93 Tornado multipurpose combat aircrafts to Kyiv.

According to Censor.NЕТ he stated about this іn Twitter.

"I have a creative proposal to our German friends. The Bundeswehr has 93 Tornado multipurpose combat aircraft, which will soon be decommissioned and replaced by the F-35. Although it is an old jet fighter, it is still very powerful. Why not supply these Tornados to Ukraine, Bundeskanzler?" he wrote. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3393515

[Skybird]

On the Tornados: it will still take many years before the first F-35 is in active Gernman service. And it will take a long time to train pilots on the Tornado, its not an easy aircraft. The avioncs of an F-16 for exmaple are described to be much easier tio handle. There is a reason why the Tornado has a crew of two, not one.

Some Tornados. Maybe. Probably not during the cause of the ongoing war anymore.

Melnyk no doubt is offering another one of his "creative jokes".

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

On the Tornados: it will still take many years before the first F-35 is in active Gernman service. And it will take a long time to train pilots on the Tornado, its not an easy aircraft. The avioncs of an F-16 for exmaple are described to be much easier tio handle. There is a reason why the Tornado has a crew of two, not one.

Some Tornados. Maybe. Probably not during the cause of the ongoing war anymore.

Melnyk no doubt is offering another one of his "creative jokes".

And I who thought that Germanys Air force used the second pilot(s/he)who sits in the back seat as a weapon and radar officer and the pilot in front flew the plane and toke care of the rest.

Otherwise I would agree on the time it would take to train the Ukrainian in mastering this Tornado fighter Jet.

Markus

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

And I who thought that Germanys Air force used the second pilot(s/he)who sits in the back seat as a weapon and radar officer and the pilot in front flew the plane and toke care of the rest.

Its indeed so, many multi role and fighter bomber and interceptor jets of that era and generation had two seat cockpiuts, one weaons system officer and one flying pilot. F-111. F-15 Strike Eagle. F-14. Prowler. Su-24. The cockjpit was mostly analogue, the workload to fly, to aim and to precision-shoot was too much for one man alone. Its the same in the Tornado. Its an old plane. Thats what makes it more complicated to learn and operate. Then, there is the repai and mainbetnance aspect. Reserve aorts are nio lonber poroduced, stocks are limited, machiens need to get cannibalized to keep the others flying. The number of working hours needed for one flying hour, is very high, since the airframe is old and has seen a lot of stress. The British lost some Tornaos in Iraq that were not under fire at all when crashing, it was because the ride is a rough one when flying low and fast (what the Tornado was made for), and the piloting under that low-flying conditions is not easy.

I wonder whether Melnyk knows all that. He is known to be provocitive, often beign right. But here - I dont know. Ukrainian pilots must be under enormous stress already, so must be the maintenance crews. Human errors must spike with growing exhaustion. And then handling such a complicated system, old, beyond its hey-days. Does not sound too good to me.

If Melnyk thinks about it a second time, maybe he finds that they rather would not have the Tornado, but more modern planes: Gripens. Falcons. Especially the Gripen with it short runway length should be attractive. Its cockpit is superior (more ergonomic, modern) to that of the F-16 Block C, pilots say.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

If Melnyk thinks about it a second time, maybe he finds that they rather would not have the Tornado, but more modern planes: Gripens. Falcons. Especially the Gripen with it short runway length should be attractive. Its cockpit is superior (more ergonomic, modern) to that of the F-16 Block C, pilots say.

When reading the word Gripen and your fine words about it I felt proud.

I also remembered an article-which I again remembered wrong haha. I was convinced Sweden would send some JAS39 Gripen to Ukraine

According to recent media reports and tweets, Swedish Defense Minister Paul Jonson announced no plans to send the Gripen aircraft to Ukraine. He was speaking at a joint briefing with Minister of Defense for Ukraine Oleksiy Reznikov, held at the Odesa-Ukraine Media Center.

https://eurasiantimes.com/no-saab-gr...as-39-fighter/

Markus

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Tanks, howitzers, armored personnel carriers, UAVs: Great Britain gives Ukraine record package of military aid

British Minister Ben Wallace on Monday, January 16, announced the provision of the largest military aid package to Ukraine to date.

Speaking in the British Parliament, the minister said that this package will include not only tanks and howitzers, but also FV430 Mk3 Bulldog armored personnel carriers, Censor.NET reports with reference to LigaBusinessInform.

He confirmed that Ukraine will receive a Challenger 2 tank company, three dozen AS90 self-propelled artillery units, a hundred units of armored vehicles, dozens of UAVs.

The package will also include 100,000 artillery shells, spare parts and other equipment.

Wallace warned that Ukraine's partners should immediately step up collective efforts to increase economic and military pressure on the Russian regime.

He said that Russia is planning an offensive and is not going to count on human casualties.

"From the very beginning, President Putin believed that his troops would be greeted with open arms, that Ukrainians would not fight and that Western support would collapse. He was wrong on all counts. Today's package will help speed up the end of Putin's occupation, with all its brutality, and allow Ukraine to retain in 2023 and further, if necessary, momentum with the support of the international community, which is more determined than ever to ensure that Putin's illegal and unprovoked invasion fails," the British minister said. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3393734

Wallace calls on European countries to give Leopard tanks to Ukraine

British Defence Secretary Ben Wallace hopes that the decision of the British government to transfer combat tanks to Ukraine will encourage other European countries to take a similar step.

He said this, during his speech in British Parliament on Monday, reports Censor.NЕТ with reference to LeagueBusinessInform.

Wallace welcomed the French government's decision to send AMX-10RC light battle tanks to Ukraine and the U.S. government's announcement of 50 Bradley Fighting Vehicles to Ukraine.

This military assistance is important on its own, Wallace said, but it is part of an international effort that together creates a multiplier effect.

"We will be the first country to transfer Western battle tanks. Having discussed this issue with the United States and our European allies, we hope that the example of France and the United Kingdom will allow those countries that have Leopard tanks to also transfer them," he said.

Wallace stressed that now no country that would like to help Ukraine with tanks will do it alone. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3393753

[Jimbuna]

Putin instructed Gerasimov to seize Donbas by March, - Intelligence

Russian President Vladimir Putin instructed the new commander of the Russian troops in Ukraine Valery Gerasimov to capture Donbas by March 2023.

This was stated by the representative of the Defence Intelligence of Ukraine Andrii Yusov, reports Censor.NЕТ with reference to Interfax-Ukraine.

"Still, we can talk about the priority direction for the rashists - this is Donbas. And the next terms, which Putin defines for Gerasimov, as for the new "head of the Special Military Operation", and in fact the war against Ukraine, and Gerasimov lowers these goals - these are the goals of capturing Donbas and forming a certain security zone there - by March," Yusov said.

The DIU representative reminded that these are not the first deadlines set by the invaders, which were postponed each time.

"Nothing will happen this time," the intelligence is sure. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3393754

Russia will not be able to provide and train 500 thousand mobilized, - US Under Secretary of State Sherman

US Deputy Secretary of State Wendy Sherman believes that Russia will not be able to simultaneously mobilize 500 thousand people and ensure their proper training for the next offensive.

Sherman stated this during a meeting with Ukrainian journalists in Kyiv, reports Censor.NЕТ with reference to European truth.

The Deputy Secretary of State noted that during a meeting with Ukrainian officials in Kyiv she discussed the possibility of another large-scale mobilization in Russia and how to counter it.

"That mobilization of 500 thousand is an incredible thing. Of course, you are wondering whether it will be possible to prepare and provide such a number of people under such conditions. I suspect that if Putin mobilizes such a number of troops, neither will happen," Sherman said.

According to the representative of the U.S. Department of Foreign Affairs, not only the fact of mobilization is a cause for concern, but also the fact that the Russian president is ready to sacrifice so many human lives, "committing a terrible invasion of a sovereign country."

"We have to follow this (possible mobilization) together with other nations around the world to help Ukraine prevail. And I think today we are all inspired once again by the perseverance, resilience, deep commitment that the Ukrainian people have," she added. Source: https://censor.net/en/n3393761