Wuhan virus 2020 - Page 281

Jimbuna · 07-06-20, 10:39 AM

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Delays to cancer diagnosis and treatment due to coronavirus could cause thousands of excess deaths in the UK within a year, research suggests.

Scientists suggest there could be at least 7,000 additional deaths - but in a worst case scenario that number could be as high as 35,000.

There are concerns routine screenings, urgent referrals and treatments have been delayed or cancelled.

NHS England said it was working hard to restore services.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-53300784

This is just one of the inevitable consequences not only here in the UK but possibly most other countries.

Bilge_Rat · 07-06-20, 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

I agree 100%, we should be able to manage this without completely shutting down the economy. Trouble is, we aren't, we're not even trying all that hard. We have a large and vocal segment of the nation actively undermining the effort to slow the spread and keep the economy going.

well as I see it, there is a middle way. Every politician acts as if the only two options are do Nothing or complete lockdown.

Social distancing, wearing masks, washing your hands regularly, limiting access to nursing homes and long term care facilities would take care of 90-95% of the problem as I see it.

Jimbuna · 07-06-20, 11:16 AM

^ I agree, it's just a pity the politicians who make the decisions don't see it that way.

Bilge_Rat · 07-06-20, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Dowly

For example, in your graph they decided to show total ICU bed capacity in the US. Why? If there are spikes in only certain areas, total ICU data for the entire country is an extremely inaccurate way of showing how much strain there is in those areas regarding ICU capacity.

As you may recall, the whole idea behind the lockdown and why we all had to go along was to "flatten the curve" so the health system would not be overwhelmed by the mass of Covid patients that were supposed to show up.

Currently, the system is not anywhere close to being overwhelmed on a national level. If certain states or cities have a spike which they cannot handle, they could certainly send patients to other cities or states with excess capacity or adopt local emergency measures.

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Then there's this one:
While this is completely accurate, one must ask why show those figures? Sundays have always had less deaths. Your daily average continues to be much higher than that. Just day before, on June 27th, there were over 500 deaths, on the next day (29th) 366 and the day after that 700+. But those don't look as rosy as 273 deaths, right?

you could look at any data, look at any way to calculate it, daily, weekly, weekly average, the result is still the same, the peak was hit in april and has been going down ever since and you see pretty much the same in most countries, including Sweden which did not shut down.

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It's a BS graph by a bank with vested interest to see the economy reopen.

How can you say it is BS when all the data they quote is accurate?

Everyone wants the economy to re-open. If you are going to convince people that they have to stop receiving a paycheque or lose their businesses, they you need the facts to show that this is the only way to stop the spread of Covid 19.

Onkel Neal · 07-06-20, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

well as I see it, there is a middle way. Every politician acts as if the only two options are do Nothing or complete lockdown.

Social distancing, wearing masks, washing your hands regularly, limiting access to nursing homes and long term care facilities would take care of 90-95% of the problem as I see it.

Yes, I think that makes sense and would work. Despite what politicians say, I would think the average man could see that and take those steps.

em2nought · 07-06-20, 12:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

Everyone wants the economy to re-open.

I question that statement.

Skybird · 07-06-20, 01:40 PM

Sweden and Israel are in the midst of wave no. 2. Cases in Israel are higher today than they were at the peak of first wave -although the country did an excellent job of containing the pandemic, they decided to ease lock down too early. Now they pay the price - the enemy is back, stronger than before.

Sweden also now gets hit by economic consequences - as if it had done a full lock down in the first. They have launched an examination panel why this is so. Just that their standardized mortality rate is over 4 times as high as in Germany, for exmaple, which did a full lockdown. They took two gambles, and lost twice.

Skybird · 07-06-20, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

Yes, I think that makes sense and would work. Despite what politicians say, I would think the average man could see that and take those steps.

The average Joe does comply only for a limited amoun t of time, and not longer. We see the discipline eroding quickly here in Germany. Gemany!

Bilge_Rat · 07-06-20, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

We see the discipline eroding quickly here in Germany. Gemany!

what is this world coming to if even Germans do not follow orders...

Dowly · 07-06-20, 03:28 PM

Disney is starting to open their parks this week. Smart.
https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/at...ts-theme-parks

Skybird · 07-06-20, 03:51 PM

Holiday season open. Two or three federal states want to abandon masks in shops etc - with all the German holiday tourists from other states, who had not gone to foreign places this year but stayed inside Germany, rushing into their states and 2-3 weeks later rushing out again and scattering across all the country to distrubute any infection outbreaks equally. Even smarter.

Skybird · 07-06-20, 03:59 PM

ERs in Florida get selective in accepting - or not accepting - Corona patients. They are full.

https://www.local10.com/news/local/2...navirus-cases/

A new study in the Lancet shows that the hope for herd immunity is illusory. They examined Spain with its very high number of Corona victims (highest number in Europe), and found only 5% of the population having antibodies now. "Unreachable" and "unethical" they call any such ambition.

https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...483-5/fulltext

Onkel Neal · 07-06-20, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

The average Joe does comply only for a limited amoun t of time, and not longer. We see the discipline eroding quickly here in Germany. Gemany!

All hope is gone if the Germans start acting like Americans in a pandemic.

But then again, German leaders are actively express delivering in millions of Middle Easterners, so....

Reece · 07-07-20, 01:40 AM

It really wouldn't surprise me if China started this virus epidemic deliberately, now they just wait for countries to collapse before they take over!!

Skybird · 07-07-20, 03:54 AM

In France, a bus driver got slain for refusing to allow guests in who did not wear masks.

07-06-20, 11:16 AM	#4203
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,344 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	^ I agree, it's just a pity the politicians who make the decisions don't see it that way. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

07-06-20, 01:40 PM	#4207
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,566 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Sweden and Israel are in the midst of wave no. 2. Cases in Israel are higher today than they were at the peak of first wave -although the country did an excellent job of containing the pandemic, they decided to ease lock down too early. Now they pay the price - the enemy is back, stronger than before. Sweden also now gets hit by economic consequences - as if it had done a full lock down in the first. They have launched an examination panel why this is so. Just that their standardized mortality rate is over 4 times as high as in Germany, for exmaple, which did a full lockdown. They took two gambles, and lost twice. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-06-20, 03:51 PM	#4211
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,566 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Holiday season open. Two or three federal states want to abandon masks in shops etc - with all the German holiday tourists from other states, who had not gone to foreign places this year but stayed inside Germany, rushing into their states and 2-3 weeks later rushing out again and scattering across all the country to distrubute any infection outbreaks equally. Even smarter. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-06-20, 03:59 PM	#4212
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,566 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	ERs in Florida get selective in accepting - or not accepting - Corona patients. They are full. https://www.local10.com/news/local/2...navirus-cases/ A new study in the Lancet shows that the hope for herd immunity is illusory. They examined Spain with its very high number of Corona victims (highest number in Europe), and found only 5% of the population having antibodies now. "Unreachable" and "unethical" they call any such ambition. https://www.thelancet.com/journals/l...483-5/fulltext __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

07-07-20, 01:40 AM	#4214
Reece CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Down Under Posts: 32,796 Downloads: 171 Uploads: 0	It really wouldn't surprise me if China started this virus epidemic deliberately, now they just wait for countries to collapse before they take over!! __________________ *Sub captains go down with their ship!*

07-06-20, 03:28 PM	#4210
Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,005 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	Disney is starting to open their parks this week. Smart. https://www.baynews9.com/fl/tampa/at...ts-theme-parks

07-07-20, 03:54 AM	#4215
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,566 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	In France, a bus driver got slain for refusing to allow guests in who did not wear masks. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.