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[Oberon]

Now come now, French tanks were good...it was their command system that was rubbish. If one were to put a Char bis against a Panzer I or II in a fair fight, I'd put my money on the Char

[Gerald]

Like,Char B1 français.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Now come now, French tanks were good...it was their command system that was rubbish. If one were to put a Char bis against a Panzer I or II in a fair fight, I'd put my money on the Char

Purely down to armour thickness

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

Purely down to armour thickness

Aye, though the gun weren't too shabby either. 47mm compared to the 20mm on the Panzer II and the 7mm MGs on the Panzer I. The primary advantage, in armament anyway, the Panzer II would have is the quick firing KwK-30, other disadvantages the Char Bis had was the lousy one man turret, it's slow speed, its fuel economy (or lack of) and bad communications. However it they had been deployed differently and if the BEF had not gone into Belgium and held the line on the French border, then the Battle of France could have gone a different way. Of course, the whole French leadership (and most of the British) were just not prepared for the German doctrine and the punch through the Ardennes. Coupled that with 'the day when it all went right' with the Luftwaffe providing superb ground support in co-ordination with the Wehrmacht (one of the few times when Fatty actually deigned to co-operate with another department) meant that the drive to the coast succeeded and bar the attempt to break through at Arras (which so very nearly worked, but thanks to bad communications and that the Flak 18s made good anti-tank guns...and in fact were the only guns that could penetrate the Matildas, meant that it all went wrong) it was pretty much all over for France.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Aye, though the gun weren't too shabby either. 47mm compared to the 20mm on the Panzer II and the 7mm MGs on the Panzer I. The primary advantage, in armament anyway, the Panzer II would have is the quick firing KwK-30, other disadvantages the Char Bis had was the lousy one man turret, it's slow speed, its fuel economy (or lack of) and bad communications. However it they had been deployed differently and if the BEF had not gone into Belgium and held the line on the French border, then the Battle of France could have gone a different way. Of course, the whole French leadership (and most of the British) were just not prepared for the German doctrine and the punch through the Ardennes. Coupled that with 'the day when it all went right' with the Luftwaffe providing superb ground support in co-ordination with the Wehrmacht (one of the few times when Fatty actually deigned to co-operate with another department) meant that the drive to the coast succeeded and bar the attempt to break through at Arras (which so very nearly worked, but thanks to bad communications and that the Flak 18s made good anti-tank guns...and in fact were the only guns that could penetrate the Matildas, meant that it all went wrong) it was pretty much all over for France.

...and then came the Panzer III with the 50mm gun to start livening things up

[Gerald]

Yes, some need a "boost"

[Betonov]

I can honestly say if French tanks were made like my little rust bucket, then they could hold their own in battle

I drive it like Landrover

[Gerald]

That's right, the car will be used fully

[Betonov]

I'll drive it until it falls apart and then i'll buy another one. And drive it to death.
And when I am financially stable to maintain an oldtimer, I'll buy this local legend of the roads

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by Betonov

I'll drive it until it falls apart and then i'll buy another one. And drive it to death.
And when I am financially stable to maintain an oldtimer, I'll buy this local legend of the roads

Look's like Jim's new car, when he is off to feed their birds,

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Vendor

Look's like Jim's new car, when he is off to feed their birds,

Do not underestimate ''the Katrca'' that apple crate can handle snow like your Saab handles summer roads

[Gerald]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Do not underestimate ''the Katrca'' that apple crate can handle snow like your Saab handles summer roads

I underestimated anything, and the car looks good, but Saab is a great winter Also,

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

...and then came the Panzer III with the 50mm gun to start livening things up

Yeah, after the II the Germans get into the swing of things....culminating in this beauty:

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Vendor

I underestimated anything, and the car looks good, but Saab is a great winter Also,

I remember a long time ago, when we still had the Katrca. Our neighbour got stuck in snow with his ''very expensive'' Honda Accord. And he had to be pulled out with a Katrca
The last time that jackass braged about his cars around our fammily

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Oberon

Yeah, after the II the Germans get into the swing of things....culminating in this beauty:

A Panther...with claws