Israel and UAE strike historic peace deal

Skybird · 08-13-20, 10:29 AM

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-53770859

Shared enemies(Iran, Islamic fanatics) can make unsuspected bed fellows. Its the third Israeli-Arab peace deal.

Jimbuna · 08-13-20, 10:31 AM

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However, shared concerns over Iran's regional influence have led to a unofficial contacts between them.

And that is precisely what has brought this about.

Bilge_Rat · 08-13-20, 11:34 AM

Good news all around.

No doubt also, there is the realization that Israel is not going away.

Skybird · 08-13-20, 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

Good news all around.

No doubt also, there is the realization that Israel is not going away.

More precisely: that Israel is no threat to the fundaments of power in the Sunni kingdoms and never wanted to topple these anyway, while Shia Iran and its allies Hezbollah, Hamas , Hutu and fundamentalists are.

Inofficially and kept away from the public, Isaeli intelligence and military are cooperating on anti-terror activities with arab nations sinc elonger time already, not just with egypt and Jordan, but also for exmaple Saudi Arabia. Nobody would easily admit that, however. One angry face for the public, the other, sober face more pragmatically cooperating with the other side. The Saudi and Jordanian secret services are no stupids, else their masters already would have fallen.

Skybird · 08-13-20, 05:52 PM

For the Palestinian arabs, the deal is a nightmare, it shows how much they have managed tio get the Arab world upset agaiunstb them, it shows the loss of relevanc eof their ncasue in the Arab world, and I call themselevs mainly repsinibly for that. Also, for Iran this deal, these closing of gaps between Israel and potentially more Arab countries, is a desaster.

And lets face it, for American diplomnacy and for Trump who claims to have brokered this deal (by pressure, most likely) it is a surprising coup and PR success. Okay, this point goes to team Trump, there is no way to deny that.

And the EU middle East diplomacy? Endless appeasement by the Europeans of which Iran and the PLO and their corrution benefitted? Stands in the rain once again, and really looks ugly once again. Auf die Fresse gefallen, one would say in German.

Note, however, that Netanjahu has denied that the annexationj of Westjordanland is off tghe agenda forever. Alsoi note theat the UAE more describe it as a timetable for a deal, not a deal initself. So, some doubt remains in the back corner of my head. Its fresh, wet cement they have formed into the fundament - it still has to dry and harden.

August · 08-13-20, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Skybird

Okay, this point goes to team Trump, there is no way to deny that.

Not that you won't try though right?

Skybird · 08-14-20, 04:20 PM

Oman applaudes the Emiratis for their coup on Twitter, I could imagine threy will follow next, its possible thouigh not certain.

Erdoghan threatense to break diplomatic ties with the UAE.

I wonder how the Saudis will formally position themselve son the UAE-Israeli agreement. Like practically all Sunni arabs, they are quite pissed by the Palestinian Arabs, and their love with Iran and Hezbollah.

We have forgotten to mention that there might be a quite direct trigger behind the agreement: remember the attacks on the biggest Saudi oil facilities two (two?) years ago...!?

vienna · 08-14-20, 07:33 PM

Looks good on paper and sounds good on the news soundbites, but...

...the UAE has long been a source of funding for various terrorist organizations and I don't think that's going to change anytime, soon; while the agreement may be 'working' at the high governmental levels, there still persists the situation of UAE citizens actively funneling funds to terrorists and the agreement really does nothing to remedy the problem; it is very much like the case with the Saudi's where, while the government makes claims and protestations SA is not funding or otherwise supporting terrorism all the while knowing some of its citizens, including not a few of the Saudi Royal Family, are actively supporting terrorists; it will be the same with the UAE where UAE citizens will actively continue to fund/support terrorists while the UAE government looks the other way...

Nothing has really, significantly changed; the UAE has just managed a little 'burnishing' of its global image while acquiring a new degree of 'plausible deniability; I'll believe the UAE is serious when they start prosecuting their own citizens who are now, or in the future, supporting terrorism...

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Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,793 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	Good news all around. No doubt also, there is the realization that Israel is not going away. __________________

08-13-20, 05:52 PM	#5
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,528 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	For the Palestinian arabs, the deal is a nightmare, it shows how much they have managed tio get the Arab world upset agaiunstb them, it shows the loss of relevanc eof their ncasue in the Arab world, and I call themselevs mainly repsinibly for that. Also, for Iran this deal, these closing of gaps between Israel and potentially more Arab countries, is a desaster. And lets face it, for American diplomnacy and for Trump who claims to have brokered this deal (by pressure, most likely) it is a surprising coup and PR success. Okay, this point goes to team Trump, there is no way to deny that. And the EU middle East diplomacy? Endless appeasement by the Europeans of which Iran and the PLO and their corrution benefitted? Stands in the rain once again, and really looks ugly once again. Auf die Fresse gefallen, one would say in German. Note, however, that Netanjahu has denied that the annexationj of Westjordanland is off tghe agenda forever. Alsoi note theat the UAE more describe it as a timetable for a deal, not a deal initself. So, some doubt remains in the back corner of my head. Its fresh, wet cement they have formed into the fundament - it still has to dry and harden. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-14-20, 04:20 PM	#7
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,528 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Oman applaudes the Emiratis for their coup on Twitter, I could imagine threy will follow next, its possible thouigh not certain. Erdoghan threatense to break diplomatic ties with the UAE. I wonder how the Saudis will formally position themselve son the UAE-Israeli agreement. Like practically all Sunni arabs, they are quite pissed by the Palestinian Arabs, and their love with Iran and Hezbollah. We have forgotten to mention that there might be a quite direct trigger behind the agreement: remember the attacks on the biggest Saudi oil facilities two (two?) years ago...!? __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-14-20, 07:33 PM	#8
vienna Navy Seal Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Anywhere but the here & now... Posts: 7,507 Downloads: 85 Uploads: 0	Looks good on paper and sounds good on the news soundbites, but... ...the UAE has long been a source of funding for various terrorist organizations and I don't think that's going to change anytime, soon; while the agreement may be 'working' at the high governmental levels, there still persists the situation of UAE citizens actively funneling funds to terrorists and the agreement really does nothing to remedy the problem; it is very much like the case with the Saudi's where, while the government makes claims and protestations SA is not funding or otherwise supporting terrorism all the while knowing some of its citizens, including not a few of the Saudi Royal Family, are actively supporting terrorists; it will be the same with the UAE where UAE citizens will actively continue to fund/support terrorists while the UAE government looks the other way... Nothing has really, significantly changed; the UAE has just managed a little 'burnishing' of its global image while acquiring a new degree of 'plausible deniability; I'll believe the UAE is serious when they start prosecuting their own citizens who are now, or in the future, supporting terrorism... <O> <O> __________________ __________________________________________________ __