Russian Politics Thread - Page 7

Jimbuna · 08-20-20, 06:19 AM

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Russian opposition figure Alexei Navalny is unconscious in hospital suffering from suspected poisoning, his spokeswoman has said.

The anti-corruption campaigner fell ill during a flight and the plane made an emergency landing in Omsk, Kira Yarmysh said, adding that they suspected something had been mixed into his tea.

The hospital said Mr Navalny was in a stable but serious condition.

Mr Navalny, 44, is a staunch critic of President Vladimir Putin.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53844958

Makes a change from falling off balconies to the pavement below I suppose

Skybird · 08-20-20, 07:12 AM

Exotic poison? Russia.

Dmitry Markov · 08-20-20, 08:24 AM

I don't see any profit in poisoning this clown for our authorities - he has been known for some very strange "business" schemes which can be called "risky" at least and became so-called "oppositioner" after having problems with his shady deals. So as I always say - look for some property arguments in his inner circle. Or he must have drunk bad alcohol - doctors say that they've found alcohol in his blood (while his friends say otherwise - but as I've said - look into inner circle at first - cannot those "friends" be themselves associated?).
Another suggestion why government doesn't have anything in common with it - they've always freed him from police after multiple illegal meetings and always let him to have vacations on foreign 5-star resorts while some his followers who were arrested during those illegal meetings arranged by him were sentenсed to effective deprivation of liberty. According to Russian laws he also should have been sentenced to real imprisonment as constant organiser of illegal actions - but he always was freed after couple of days at police office. That makes think of his real role in political life...

But western press narrative would no doubt be: " Putin did it"...

Mr Quatro · 08-20-20, 09:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Dmitry Markov

But western press narrative would no doubt be: " Putin did it"...

Same here Dmitry ... whenever someone that opposed the Clintons people would say that Clinton did it

But what if both cases (US and Russia) have a left wing/right wing nut in powerful positions that take it upon themselves to correct the problem without a higher up being involved?

They would of course have to have some authority in order to get away with it.

Thank you for your input Dmitry

Dmitry Markov · 08-20-20, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Quatro

Same here Dmitry ... whenever someone that opposed the Clintons people would say that Clinton did it

But what if both cases (US and Russia) have a left wing/right wing nut in powerful positions that take it upon themselves to correct the problem without a higher up being involved?

They would of course have to have some authority in order to get away with it.

Thank you for your input Dmitry

I was about to say the same about Clintons - in our social media they usually mentioned in discussions about suspicious misfortunes of public persons.

Sure I get your idea

Meahwhile a video from CCTV in Tomsk airport shows that notorious tea was brought to Navalny by his assistant - so again see what I've said: take a look into inner circle

Our President's head of PR Dmitry Peskov wishes well to Navalny and says that should Navalny need a transfer to Europe for healing - authorities would look into that matter and help. So Alexey once again will travel to 5-star foreign resort :-)

Jimbuna · 08-20-20, 12:52 PM

After what happened to the Skripals a great many in the west have suspicions and arguably correctly so.

Catfish · 08-20-20, 04:27 PM

^ I agree to a 100 percent. Clear message to all other critics, typical signature.

Jimbuna · 08-21-20, 05:19 AM

Russian doctors say leading opposition figure Alexei Navalny remains too ill to be transferred to Germany for treatment after a possible poisoning.

Mr Navalny has been in a coma since Thursday when he fell ill on a flight and his supporters called the doctors' decision "a direct threat to his life".

They have cited a report of "a deadly substance", dangerous not only to Mr Navalny but to all around him.

However, a doctor now says "no poisons have been detected" by the tests.

Mr Navalny is a prominent critic of Russian President Vladimir Putin.

His team suspects a poisonous substance was put in his tea at an airport cafe.

Activists in Germany have sent a plane to bring Mr Navalny to Berlin for treatment.

The head doctor at the hospital in Siberia where he is being treated said Mr Navalny's condition had improved a little, but that he was still unstable. Alexander Murakhovsky said legal questions would need to be resolved before Mr Navalny could be moved.

But Mr Navalny's team said it was "deadly" for him to remain in the hospital.

"The ban on the transportation of Navalny is an attempt on his life, which is being made right now by doctors and the deceitful authorities who sanctioned it," Mr Navalny's spokeswoman Kira Yarmysh wrote on Twitter.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53857563

Skybird · 08-21-20, 01:44 PM

Alexej Nawalny

Pjotr Wersilow

Sergej and Julia Skripal

Wladimir Kara-Mursa

Alexander Perepilichny

Alexander Litwinenko

Just the poison-related assassinations/attempts counted.

Catfish · 08-22-20, 05:55 AM

^ You forgot Zelimkhan Khangoshvili in the Tiergarten Berlin.

Of course, the Kreml never has anything to do with poisoning or removing critics, why would Putin do that?

Putin conspirative action. Putin's interest is not always Russia's interest, but most fail to see that.

Jimbuna · 08-22-20, 10:29 AM

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Alexei Navalny: Putin critic arrives in Germany for medical treatment
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53871617

There are growing rumours that the delay for travel permission was carried out so any elements of whatever was in his blood would no longer be found.

Bilge_Rat · 08-26-20, 08:42 AM

according to many Russia Watchers, if Navalny was poisoned, it was probably not ordered by Putin, but by another group jockeying for power. This is based on the response from the Kremlin which appears to have been surprised by the move.

Navalny was a nuisance, but more of a headache dead than alive, which is why it is unlikely to have been ordered by Putin.

Again, there seems to be a consensus among many Russia watchers, based on recent actions, that Putin will probably step down after his current term ends in 2024 and that he is busy laying the groundwork for his eventual successor. Putin also seems to be taking an increasingly hands off approach to running internal affairs.

Because of that, there is an "end of Regime" feel in Russia and many groups are maneuvering to increase their power base in anticipation of the "new" regime.

You have had many similar actions in the past few years, like the murder of Boris Nemtsov, which would have been unthinkable 10 years ago. Most go unreported in the West.

Skybird · 08-26-20, 08:47 AM

Why then the move on changing the constitution? That has a longtime perspective.

Catfish · 08-26-20, 08:57 AM

" ...the hospital said Navalny had fallen ill because of contamination from a cholinesterase inhibitor, adding that the specific substance was not known and analysis was ongoing. Cholinesterase inhibitors block an enzyme that is necessary for the proper function of the nervous system."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...d-says-germany

b.t.w. “The world’s most famous cholinesterase inhibitor is called novichok.”

Mr Quatro · 08-26-20, 09:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

Again, there seems to be a consensus among many Russia watchers, based on recent actions, that Putin will probably step down after his current term ends in 2024 and that he is busy laying the groundwork for his eventual successor.

Putin also seems to be taking an increasingly hands off approach to running internal affairs.

Because of that, there is an "end of Regime" feel in Russia and many groups are maneuvering to increase their power base in anticipation of the "new" regime.

A sure sign of Putin giving up the throne would be when he starts moving his assets to another country

08-20-20, 07:12 AM	#92
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,494 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Exotic poison? Russia. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-20-20, 08:24 AM	#93
Dmitry Markov Officer Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Moscow, Russian Federation Posts: 236 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	I don't see any profit in poisoning this clown for our authorities - he has been known for some very strange "business" schemes which can be called "risky" at least and became so-called "oppositioner" after having problems with his shady deals. So as I always say - look for some property arguments in his inner circle. Or he must have drunk bad alcohol - doctors say that they've found alcohol in his blood (while his friends say otherwise - but as I've said - look into inner circle at first - cannot those "friends" be themselves associated?). Another suggestion why government doesn't have anything in common with it - they've always freed him from police after multiple illegal meetings and always let him to have vacations on foreign 5-star resorts while some his followers who were arrested during those illegal meetings arranged by him were sentenсed to effective deprivation of liberty. According to Russian laws he also should have been sentenced to real imprisonment as constant organiser of illegal actions - but he always was freed after couple of days at police office. That makes think of his real role in political life... But western press narrative would no doubt be: " Putin did it"... __________________ Большому кораблю - большая торпеда!

08-20-20, 12:52 PM	#96
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,175 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	After what happened to the Skripals a great many in the west have suspicions and arguably correctly so. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

08-20-20, 04:27 PM	#97
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ I agree to a 100 percent. Clear message to all other critics, typical signature. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

08-21-20, 05:19 AM	#98
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,175 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	Russian doctors say leading opposition figure Alexei Navalny remains too ill to be transferred to Germany for treatment after a possible poisoning. Mr Navalny has been in a coma since Thursday when he fell ill on a flight and his supporters called the doctors' decision "a direct threat to his life". They have cited a report of "a deadly substance", dangerous not only to Mr Navalny but to all around him. However, a doctor now says "no poisons have been detected" by the tests. Mr Navalny is a prominent critic of Russian President Vladimir Putin. His team suspects a poisonous substance was put in his tea at an airport cafe. Activists in Germany have sent a plane to bring Mr Navalny to Berlin for treatment. The head doctor at the hospital in Siberia where he is being treated said Mr Navalny's condition had improved a little, but that he was still unstable. Alexander Murakhovsky said legal questions would need to be resolved before Mr Navalny could be moved. But Mr Navalny's team said it was "deadly" for him to remain in the hospital. "The ban on the transportation of Navalny is an attempt on his life, which is being made right now by doctors and the deceitful authorities who sanctioned it," Mr Navalny's spokeswoman Kira Yarmysh wrote on Twitter. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-53857563 __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

08-21-20, 01:44 PM	#99
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,494 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Alexej Nawalny Pjotr Wersilow Sergej and Julia Skripal Wladimir Kara-Mursa Alexander Perepilichny Alexander Litwinenko Just the poison-related assassinations/attempts counted. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-22-20, 05:55 AM	#100
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ You forgot Zelimkhan Khangoshvili in the Tiergarten Berlin. Of course, the Kreml never has anything to do with poisoning or removing critics, why would Putin do that? Putin conspirative action. Putin's interest is not always Russia's interest, but most fail to see that. __________________ >^..^<)))>{ All generalizations are wrong. Last edited by Catfish; 08-22-20 at 06:05 AM.*

08-26-20, 08:42 AM	#102
Bilge_Rat Silent Hunter Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: standing watch... Posts: 3,793 Downloads: 344 Uploads: 0	according to many Russia Watchers, if Navalny was poisoned, it was probably not ordered by Putin, but by another group jockeying for power. This is based on the response from the Kremlin which appears to have been surprised by the move. Navalny was a nuisance, but more of a headache dead than alive, which is why it is unlikely to have been ordered by Putin. Again, there seems to be a consensus among many Russia watchers, based on recent actions, that Putin will probably step down after his current term ends in 2024 and that he is busy laying the groundwork for his eventual successor. Putin also seems to be taking an increasingly hands off approach to running internal affairs. Because of that, there is an "end of Regime" feel in Russia and many groups are maneuvering to increase their power base in anticipation of the "new" regime. You have had many similar actions in the past few years, like the murder of Boris Nemtsov, which would have been unthinkable 10 years ago. Most go unreported in the West. __________________

08-26-20, 08:47 AM	#103
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,494 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Why then the move on changing the constitution? That has a longtime perspective. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

08-26-20, 08:57 AM	#104
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	" ...the hospital said Navalny had fallen ill because of contamination from a cholinesterase inhibitor, adding that the specific substance was not known and analysis was ongoing. Cholinesterase inhibitors block an enzyme that is necessary for the proper function of the nervous system." https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...d-says-germany b.t.w. “The world’s most famous cholinesterase inhibitor is called novichok.” __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.