GER politics thread

[Catfish]

Soeder is suited for the job of chancellor as Johnson is for prime minister.
Maybe a radical cut would not be the badest idea, the CDU has become frozen stiff, and neither Laschet nor Soeder are good candidates. Nor is Merz, of course.
Olaf Scholz from the SPD is not too bad, which is probably why he will not be elected. Ego and showmanship always win.

[Skybird]

I agree that there is no electable candidate (or party).


I disagree to see Scholz as a slightly better one. I have not forgoitten and forgiven his opprutnistic weaseling over the Hamburg riots, and his abuse of the finance ministry to feed the sopcialist election campaign.And I dont know whioch slimey grin I dislike more, that of Armin der Heißluftföhn, or Olaf der Blasierte.



Baerbock simply is this: extremely dangerous.

[Catfish]

The election war has already started. False news, fake profiles, shallow fakes, deep fakes, bot and troll armies, predominantkly organised by extreme right groups and foreign secret services, all want to manipulate and lots of campaigns are running. "Die Linke" party does not have a chance anyway this time.
Counting appx. 700 desinformation attacks against Germany since 2015, as of march 9th, 2021. For comparison 300 against France, 170 Italy, 40 against Spain.

Seems especially Russia often uses phrases of the neo-nazi AfD for their propaganda, "Linksgurken machen Wahlbetrug" und "linke Wahlhelfer machen AfD Stimmen ungültig". The extreme right from the US is also onboard, though Russia is leading, while China is holding back it seems. There is not even a spearhead or target to be reached, it is only about fogging reality and generating general insecurity by spreading desinformation and direct lies.

[Skybird]

The erosion of the union has been mercilessly exposed. 16 years of Merkelianism have left no house standing and no reserves unconsumed. No map, no compass, no plan, no nothing.

The Greens rub their hands.

[Skybird]

Today's representative poll by FORSA says it all.

The CDU/CSU union took a record crashdive down to 21% - and the Greens had an Elon Musk moment and skyrocketted upwards to 28%.

And the blow-dryer has already started to blow. Nothing noteworthy was to be heard in the streaming air, just verbiage and set phrases.

At the party base, the mood is explosive, especially in the Eastern states. Party exits have steeply climbed already overt the past days. I expect them to reach much higher.

And in Bavaria? Halfheartedly muted growling and thunder.

Enjoy you "success", Merkelboy. Will be a heck of a ride.

[mapuc]

What kind of Germany could you expect if die Grünen became the major factor in German politics ?

They are if I remember correctly a left wing party, if not a far left wing party.

Markus

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

What kind of Germany could you expect if die Grünen became the major factor in German politics ?

They are if I remember correctly a left wing party, if not a far left wing party.

Markus

They are.

Baerbock said she wants to massively boost debts, and create a mass-migration friendly Germany. She wants climate policies to become the imperative to which all political and economical and civil rights have to bow. Businesses and industry fears massive taxe raises, and a masisve widneing of regulation and bureaucracy.

Its noteworthy to point out that she has no government experience, and never was part of a government and never was minister. She poses with relabelling that as her strength, while knowing the system from inside she implied to be a burden.

She is very popular with the younger and females. Her chnaces ot win the elections are such that I do not say it is certain she wins, but she has very, very realistic chances - and by far the best chances of all three candidates.

I imagine what Putin and Xi will do when she wins. I widely grin. But then, I also grin when imagening what Putin and Xi will think and do if Laschet wins. They have already Biden as breakfast, lunch and dinner, so why not a German as dessert?

Four months.

[Catfish]

Seems she is not "only popular with younger and females". This is astonishing ..

"The business elite would prefer a green chancellor Annalena Baerbock. Olaf Scholz from the SPD and Union candidate Armin Laschet do not do well."

https://www.tagesspiegel.de/politik/.../27120512.html


English translation by Google:

https://translate.google.com/transla.../27120512.html

[Skybird]

Yes, I notiuced that, too, however some days ago it was written what expressed the exactl opposite, and that business leaders try to curry favour with the Greens in a bid of appeasement, fearing their plans for the economy being too crushing if they cannot be appeased.



And lets not forget, businessses also jump on the running train of climate- and eco- and bio- and poltical corretcness populsim. Whether they can stem the irons they put on is somehtign else - as illsutrated by Dieselgate. They did not lie and betray for no reaosn, but becasue the demands at the time they were risen could not be met by engineering and technology. So one posed as if it was possible, and lied.

[Skybird]

An imo revealing insight into the desillusionizing background of the CDU's catastrophic decision - and why it stuck to it so stubbornly. It was CDU blackmailing born out of own desperate weakness and a steep decline of own relevance. They thought they could not afford to not even nominate the chancelor candidate.

I stick to it, this decision will break them their neck. And I applaude that. However, I will never applaude the Green Socialists or Red Socialists. I am against them all and I dispise them all. I cannot discriminate between bigger and lesser evils, if they all are nevertheless lethal evils.

https://translate.google.com/transla..._13216802.html


They now pay the price for having allowed Merkel.

[Skybird]

Both the CDU and its youth organisaiton JU are hit by a ongoing flood of party resignations.


At the same time the CSU enjoys hundreds and hundreds of new party accedences - and not just from Bavaria (the CSU is a regional party only existing in Bavaria), but from across all of Germany. They fuel it further by making a digital party membership available, handling things easy.

[Jimbuna]

Not looking good.....if true

[Skybird]

Political cabaret had a good explanation why the CDU pushed so hard to get Laschet through as a candidate. Its because his regional CDU association of Northrhine Westphalia hopes to ultimately get rid of him this way.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Not looking good.....if true

The German public has by majority never had a good opinion of Super-Uschi. However the Germans are quite left now and very much brainwashed - they still love to have the EU and break their own back for it. I am confident that a clear majority wants the EU, still.

What is correct is that Super-Uschi and Nanny Merkel and the vaccination desaster and now the collectivization of European debts at the expense of Germany and the hilarious nomination of Laschet as the CDU's chancellor candidate, make the AfD or any other protest movement stronger.

I see the penultimate crash being inevitable anyway, thats why I am for German leaving the EU or being expelled from it, and also quitting the Euro. It will bring chaos to Germany, and the EU ruin, but staying inside all that mess will also bring chaos, and I prefer to endure what is coming inevitably for a cause I can stand up for, not a cause I dispise and totally object. Suffer we must. But I prefer needing to suffer for a right cause, not a despicable cause like the EU and the Euro.


The EU must break, no matter how much earthquake that means for Europe. It just must go. This is a non-negotiable priority to me. And I will practically all means to see it breaking up and going by. It must go, no matter the turmoils.

[Catfish]

^
Love your optimism, but please suffer alone.