US Politics Thread 2021-24

[August]

Pay wall, can you sum up your point?

[Kptlt. Neuerburg]

[Buddahaid]

Originally Posted by August

Pay wall, can you sum up your point?

Pay wall? I'm not paying anything to watch it? Try this.

It's a timeline of the riot using cell phone and news footage I found made more sense of it than the news coverage on the day.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/pol...upporters.html

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by MaDef

You watch to much CNN. [...]

I do not watch CNN, I also try not to quote them
The march or as they themselves said "storm" was planned beforehand, as a lot of radio traffic and papers show, if probably not on Faux news. Buses and other transports chartered weeks before, weapons, talking about explosives, all seemed organised and is well documented. It was a direct try to illegally overthrow the election and clear disregard for democracy.
One of Trump's stements “If you don’t fight like hell, you’re not going to have a country anymore”.
With the words of the right wing it would have been called "rebellion", "looting", "insurrection" and "treason". We will see what the courts find, and how they decide.

You may have a point in that the rioters were too dumb to execute their plan completely, but then their glorious leader refrained to walk with them and tell them what to do. Would have been interesting to see Trump being arrested, but of course as all great men (lmao) he left this to his supporters.

BBC:
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-55575260

Deutsche Welle:
https://www.dw.com/en/storm-on-the-c...his/a-56152619

Boston University:
https://www.bu.edu/articles/2021/why...he-us-capitol/

Time:
https://time.com/5926883/trump-suppo...storm-capitol/



re August
why do you compare this to 9/11? The latter was a terrorist attack from outside, and while being despicable it usually unifies a country against violence from outside. But ok.. in as far as this mob came from inside of America it is indeed disturbing.

[Rockstar]

So some think if it wasn’t for the FBI there would have been no plot, or conspiracy to commit a crime.

Glen Greenwald has an excellent article at substack unfortunately that IS behind a paywall.

However this left wing socialist pothead who works from his garage touches a bit on that subject.

[Buddahaid]

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/01/ti...nt-to-capitol/
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/na...-capitol-riot/
Jan. 5: According to the Pentagon, Mayor Bowser delivers a letter addressed to the U.S. acting attorney general, Miller and McCarthy confirming that there are no additional support requests from the D.C. National Guard. Bowser later says that she already had the support she requested from the National Guard and that any decision to request guard forces to protect the Capitol is not hers. “The Capitol Police and the leadership at the Capitol, they did not make the decision to call in guard support,” Bowser later says in a press conference on Jan. 7. “I cannot order the Army, the National Guard, to the United States Capitol grounds. I can, in the district, with the approval of the secretary of the Army.”

According to an internal document reviewed by the Washington Post, an FBI office in Virginia issues a warning that extremists are preparing to commit violence in Washington on Jan. 6. According to the bulletin — which Steven D’Antuono, head of the FBI’s Washington field office, said was shared “with all our law enforcement partners” through the joint terrorism task force — “An online thread discussed specific calls for violence to include stating ‘Be ready to fight. Congress needs to hear glass breaking, doors being kicked in, and blood from their BLM and Pantifa slave soldiers being spilled. Get violent. Stop calling this a march, or rally, or a protest. Go there ready for war. We get our President or we die. NOTHING else will achieve this goal.” Sund told the Post he never received nor was made aware of the FBI’s field bulletin.

Update, Jan. 28: According to a Jan. 5 memo obtained by the Washington Post, the Pentagon restricted the authority of Maj. Gen. William J. Walker, the commanding general of the District of Columbia National Guard, so that he could not deploy the quick reaction force without approval from higher-ups. In an interview published in the Washington Post on Jan. 26, Walker said those required authorizations contributed to delays in the National Guard response the following day. According to the Washington Post, Walker “needed to wait for approval from [former Army secretary Ryan] McCarthy and acting defense secretary Christopher C. Miller before dispatching troops, even though some 40 soldiers were on standby as a quick reaction force. That standby force had been assembled in case the few hundred Guard members deployed that day on the District’s streets to assist police with traffic control and crowd management needed help, Walker said. … Had he not been restricted, Walker said he could have dispatched members of the D.C. Guard sooner.”

[August]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Pay wall? I'm not paying anything to watch it? Try this.

It's a timeline of the riot using cell phone and news footage I found made more sense of it than the news coverage on the day.

https://www.nytimes.com/video/us/pol...upporters.html

Sorry your new york times links demand registration. But does any of it show armed rebel soldiers? Any guns or bombs? Any get away vehicles? I'm guess it does not show anything but a bunch of yahoos howling at the moon.

Again if this was a real insurrection then somebody would be charged with it. Several hundred people have been rounded up, most are still in jail awaiting arraignment, but the most you got is breaking and entering and some assault charges. Not really reflective of the rhetoric.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

https://www.factcheck.org/2021/01/ti...nt-to-capitol/
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/na...-capitol-riot/
Jan. 5: According to the Pentagon, Mayor Bowser delivers a letter addressed to the U.S. acting attorney general, Miller and McCarthy confirming that there are no additional support requests from the D.C. National Guard. Bowser later says that she already had the support she requested from the National Guard and that any decision to request guard forces to protect the Capitol is not hers. “The Capitol Police and the leadership at the Capitol, they did not make the decision to call in guard support,” Bowser later says in a press conference on Jan. 7. “I cannot order the Army, the National Guard, to the United States Capitol grounds. I can, in the district, with the approval of the secretary of the Army.”

According to an internal document reviewed by the Washington Post, an FBI office in Virginia issues a warning that extremists are preparing to commit violence in Washington on Jan. 6. According to the bulletin — which Steven D’Antuono, head of the FBI’s Washington field office, said was shared “with all our law enforcement partners” through the joint terrorism task force — “An online thread discussed specific calls for violence to include stating ‘Be ready to fight. Congress needs to hear glass breaking, doors being kicked in, and blood from their BLM and Pantifa slave soldiers being spilled. Get violent. Stop calling this a march, or rally, or a protest. Go there ready for war. We get our President or we die. NOTHING else will achieve this goal.” Sund told the Post he never received nor was made aware of the FBI’s field bulletin.

Update, Jan. 28: According to a Jan. 5 memo obtained by the Washington Post, the Pentagon restricted the authority of Maj. Gen. William J. Walker, the commanding general of the District of Columbia National Guard, so that he could not deploy the quick reaction force without approval from higher-ups. In an interview published in the Washington Post on Jan. 26, Walker said those required authorizations contributed to delays in the National Guard response the following day. According to the Washington Post, Walker “needed to wait for approval from [former Army secretary Ryan] McCarthy and acting defense secretary Christopher C. Miller before dispatching troops, even though some 40 soldiers were on standby as a quick reaction force. That standby force had been assembled in case the few hundred Guard members deployed that day on the District’s streets to assist police with traffic control and crowd management needed help, Walker said. … Had he not been restricted, Walker said he could have dispatched members of the D.C. Guard sooner.”

What’s your point with all of this? If it’s in response to the Dore video, what does it have to do with accusation that the two prominate leaders of this supposed insurrection weren’t just kook right wing conspiracy nuts who got caught. But we’re actually working for the FBI as paid informants! And if on FBI payroll as informants AND the two alleged ring leaders of this upcoming ‘war’. Why in blue blazes did the FBI wait to inform anyone just one day before the protests and on top of that let the ring leaders go? Then lo and behold comes almost immediate expansion and funding for even more domestic police power & intelligence gathering. I mean doesn’t that bother anyone?


Meanwhile 4 million dead , which Fauci may have contributed too. Obama the poor street activist, throwing a birthday party at his new 11.5 million dollar estate on Martha’s Vinyard. Biden drooling on himself, low hanging fruit, inner circle closing in any day now, tic tok tic tok and all that jazz

[mapuc]

If I should use one word on this 6th Jan. attack It would be
Anarchy.(Chaos)

Markus

[Buddahaid]

What's your point? I'm pointing out that the lack of NG response to prevent the break in goes fully up the food chain. The FBI issued the warning and it wasn't acted on. The Fauci stuff for me is of lesser importance than that "insurrection" caused by allegations of "massive voter fraud" which according to your criteria doesn't exist because nobody has been convicted.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by mapuc

If I should use one word on this 6th Jan. attack It would be
Anarchy.(Chaos)

Markus

And also quite possibly bought and paid for by the FBI.

[3catcircus]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

What’s your point with all of this? If it’s in response to the Dore video, what does it have to do with accusation that the two prominate leaders of this supposed insurrection weren’t kook right wing conspiracy nuts who got caught. But we’re actually working for the FBI as paid informants! And if on FBI on payroll as informants AND the two alleged ring leaders of this upcoming ‘war’. Why in blue blazes did the FBI wait to inform anyone just one day before the protests? I mean doesn’t that bother anyone?


Meanwhile 4 million dead , which Fauci may have contributed too. Obama the poor street activist, throwing a birthday party at his new 11.5 million dollar estate on Martha’s Vinyard. Biden drooling on himself, low hanging fruit, inner circle closing in any day now.

Kinda like how the Roman Empire looked while on its last legs...

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by Buddahaid

What's your point? I'm pointing out that the lack of NG response to prevent the break in goes fully up the food chain. The FBI issued the warning and it wasn't acted on. The Fauci stuff for me is of lesser importance than that "insurrection" caused by allegations of "massive voter fraud" which according to your criteria doesn't exist because nobody has been convicted.

First off what’s disappointing yet very clear to me is the cause of 4 million dead doesn’t interest you. As for the rest it didn’t make sense to me. Are you saying voter fraud did exist even though there has been no evidence to support it so you can also without evidence justify your accusation of insurrection?

Just so you know let me clarify, I have said months ago that after reading the filed complaints of voter fraud I personally found nothing in them that would lead me to believe there was any voter fraud. To this date no evidence of voter fraud has been presented, no charges filed, no prosecution and conviction, means no voter fraud. IMO it was just as much a self serving political boondoggle dog and pony show as is the this 6 Jan committee. That said, the same reasoning apples to the unlawful aspect of the protests. No evidence of insurrection presented, no charges filed, no prosecution and conviction, means no insurrection.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

And also quite possibly bought and paid for by the FBI.

Oh man that's far out-Where does this theory come from ? Is there any hard evidence ?

Whether it's gossip or not I hope your authorities look into this.

Every thing shall be investigated even if smell like conspiracy.

Markus

[Buddahaid]

Fauci stuff belongs in the virus thread and I find it laughable digging on Obama given Trump's excesses.