Russian Politics Thread - Page 15

Catfish · 02-02-21, 03:59 PM

They poison him, he lies in a hospital abroad almost dying, and then they complain he did not report back

^ Absolutely ridiculous. As state of lawlessness, they do not even pretend to use any reasonable or legal procedures

ikalugin · 02-02-21, 07:35 PM

Ironically keeping him secure under guard is the appropriate response if the incident was not caused by the senior political leadership.

As otherwise a third party may re-attempt. And Navalny becomming a martyr is not in elite's interests right now, just keeping him out of sight and out of mind.

Catfish · 02-03-21, 02:30 AM

^ "... if the incident was not caused by the senior political leadership..."
who pretends it was not? The senior political leadership?

A third party could have been responsible, sure. Or maybe extraterrestrials?
"Navalny becoming a martyr is not in the elite's interest", this is of course true. How very unfortunate for them

Dmitry Markov · 02-03-21, 06:37 AM

My complain in this Navalny story remains the same: when a simple (non-media) person breakes the rules of conditional detention only one time - there's 90% that he goes to jail immediately. Why Navalny was allowed to break those rules so many times all these years and was finaly put to jail only now using a very formal occasion ? He was allowed to provide non-approved meetings, tens times been detained then freed ( while according to Russian laws he should have been put to jail immediately after administrative detainment since it breaks rules of conditional detention most severly)? More to say - after beeing magically freed after these detainments he somehow was allowed to spend his vacations on expensive resorts abroad - being there he missed his scheduled check-ups in FSIN - which is also a severe breakage of rules of conditional detention. So for six years he was allowed to do everything he wanted with Russian laws and only now he is put to jail... To me it's all about that "some animals are more equal than the others" thing. Wonder who is really standing behind this figure in our "hights". As an "opposition" he is very so-so since he
a) doesn't show any programme and only tells that "those guys are wrong and I'm a D'Artagnan" and "hey, schoolchildren - those old men have taken everything that's in fact yours" - no suggestions how to improve economy or social sphere or else. Argument that "He is not allowed to show his programme" - can be rejected since his platform is an internet mainly - he adresses to the youth and they do not watch TV - only youtube where everyone can see his videos in which he never tells what to do to improve life other than blame current powers in all sins and calls for illegal anti-social actions.
b) even within his target audience he cannot gather enough followers to influence authorities to change their decisions - latest "protests" weren't any multiple (I don't know what pictures were translated to Western TV but in reality it was nowhere near close to even 2011/2012 years). Where are your millions, Лёша ?

Just like that :-)

Catfish · 02-03-21, 07:16 AM

If he is just a wannabe revoluzzer, why does the FSB try to kill him then.
"Hunting the hunters"

Skybird · 02-03-21, 07:28 AM

^ "Wehret den Anfängen." Thats why.

Rockstar · 02-03-21, 12:18 PM

How not to help the Russian opposition.
https://irrussianality.wordpress.com...an-opposition/

“Two narratives are currently competing for attention. The first is that Navalny is the innocent victim of a brutal murder attempt. The second is that Navalny is an agent of foreign powers (The two aren’t necessarily incompatible).”

I'll add that I have yet to see independent verifiable proof of a poisoning. Anyone seen the Skirpals lately?

Jimbuna · 02-03-21, 12:53 PM

On 16 February 2019, The Sunday Times reported, without identified sources, that Sergei Skripal "has suffered a deterioration in his health and is being treated by doctors". On 7 June 2020, The Sunday Times reported that Sergei and his daughter have been settled in New Zealand under new identities.

ikalugin · 02-03-21, 01:29 PM

About Navalny - I said my piece.
Personally I am getting tired about every online resource that I frequent bombarding me about the man.

https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/cont...r-competition/
An interesting paper on IR topics.

p.s. full text below:
https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/wp-c..._210127_FV.pdf

I would highly recommend it, esp for US users.

Catfish · 02-05-21, 05:44 AM

"Russian doctor who treated Navalny after poisoning has died"

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/04/e...ntl/index.html

Purely aacidental of course.. Honi soit qui mal y pense

Jimbuna · 02-05-21, 08:55 AM

'suddenly passed away'

Von Due · 02-05-21, 09:04 AM

No doubt the doctor stumbled and fell repeatedly on a cheese slicer. Accidents happen.

Skybird · 02-05-21, 11:34 AM

Ukraine war. Nawalny. Nord Stream 2. Sputnik-V.

Enjoy the constellation. Fate will maybe never show this strong sense for comedy again in your life.

Catfish · 02-05-21, 01:23 PM

Moscow expels Polish, Swedish, German diplomats

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55954162

https://english.alarabiya.net/News/w...omats-Ministry

Jimbuna · 02-05-21, 02:56 PM

^The question being.....will there be reciprocal action taken?

02-02-21, 03:59 PM	#211
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	They poison him, he lies in a hospital abroad almost dying, and then they complain he did not report back ^ Absolutely ridiculous. As state of lawlessness, they do not even pretend to use any reasonable or legal procedures __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

02-02-21, 07:35 PM	#212
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	Ironically keeping him secure under guard is the appropriate response if the incident was not caused by the senior political leadership. As otherwise a third party may re-attempt. And Navalny becomming a martyr is not in elite's interests right now, just keeping him out of sight and out of mind. __________________ Grumpy as always.

02-03-21, 02:30 AM	#213
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ "... if the incident was not caused by the senior political leadership..." who pretends it was not? The senior political leadership? A third party could have been responsible, sure. Or maybe extraterrestrials? "Navalny becoming a martyr is not in the elite's interest", this is of course true. How very unfortunate for them __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

02-03-21, 06:37 AM	#214
Dmitry Markov Officer Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Moscow, Russian Federation Posts: 236 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	My complain in this Navalny story remains the same: when a simple (non-media) person breakes the rules of conditional detention only one time - there's 90% that he goes to jail immediately. Why Navalny was allowed to break those rules so many times all these years and was finaly put to jail only now using a very formal occasion ? He was allowed to provide non-approved meetings, tens times been detained then freed ( while according to Russian laws he should have been put to jail immediately after administrative detainment since it breaks rules of conditional detention most severly)? More to say - after beeing magically freed after these detainments he somehow was allowed to spend his vacations on expensive resorts abroad - being there he missed his scheduled check-ups in FSIN - which is also a severe breakage of rules of conditional detention. So for six years he was allowed to do everything he wanted with Russian laws and only now he is put to jail... To me it's all about that "some animals are more equal than the others" thing. Wonder who is really standing behind this figure in our "hights". As an "opposition" he is very so-so since he a) doesn't show any programme and only tells that "those guys are wrong and I'm a D'Artagnan" and "hey, schoolchildren - those old men have taken everything that's in fact yours" - no suggestions how to improve economy or social sphere or else. Argument that "He is not allowed to show his programme" - can be rejected since his platform is an internet mainly - he adresses to the youth and they do not watch TV - only youtube where everyone can see his videos in which he never tells what to do to improve life other than blame current powers in all sins and calls for illegal anti-social actions. b) even within his target audience he cannot gather enough followers to influence authorities to change their decisions - latest "protests" weren't any multiple (I don't know what pictures were translated to Western TV but in reality it was nowhere near close to even 2011/2012 years). Where are your millions, Лёша ? Just like that :-) __________________ Большому кораблю - большая торпеда!

02-03-21, 07:16 AM	#215
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	If he is just a wannabe revoluzzer, why does the FSB try to kill him then. "Hunting the hunters" __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

02-03-21, 07:28 AM	#216
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,504 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	^ "Wehret den Anfängen." Thats why. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

02-03-21, 12:18 PM	#217
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,836 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	How not to help the Russian opposition. https://irrussianality.wordpress.com...an-opposition/ “Two narratives are currently competing for attention. The first is that Navalny is the innocent victim of a brutal murder attempt. The second is that Navalny is an agent of foreign powers (The two aren’t necessarily incompatible).” I'll add that I have yet to see independent verifiable proof of a poisoning. Anyone seen the Skirpals lately? __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time. Last edited by Rockstar; 02-03-21 at 12:31 PM.

02-03-21, 12:53 PM	#218
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,240 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	On 16 February 2019, The Sunday Times reported, without identified sources, that Sergei Skripal "has suffered a deterioration in his health and is being treated by doctors". On 7 June 2020, The Sunday Times reported that Sergei and his daughter have been settled in New Zealand under new identities. __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

02-03-21, 01:29 PM	#219
ikalugin Ocean Warrior Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Moscow, Russia Posts: 3,212 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 0	About Navalny - I said my piece. Personally I am getting tired about every online resource that I frequent bombarding me about the man. https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/cont...r-competition/ An interesting paper on IR topics. p.s. full text below: https://www.atlanticcouncil.org/wp-c..._210127_FV.pdf I would highly recommend it, esp for US users. __________________ Grumpy as always. Last edited by ikalugin; 02-03-21 at 03:25 PM.

02-05-21, 05:44 AM	#220
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	"Russian doctor who treated Navalny after poisoning has died" https://edition.cnn.com/2021/02/04/e...ntl/index.html Purely aacidental of course.. Honi soit qui mal y pense __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

02-05-21, 08:55 AM	#221
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,240 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	'suddenly passed away' __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)

02-05-21, 09:04 AM	#222
Von Due Sea Lord Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 1,660 Downloads: 30 Uploads: 0	No doubt the doctor stumbled and fell repeatedly on a cheese slicer. Accidents happen.

02-05-21, 11:34 AM	#223
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 40,504 Downloads: 9 Uploads: 0	Ukraine war. Nawalny. Nord Stream 2. Sputnik-V. Enjoy the constellation. Fate will maybe never show this strong sense for comedy again in your life. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

02-05-21, 01:23 PM	#224
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Moscow expels Polish, Swedish, German diplomats https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-55954162 https://english.alarabiya.net/News/w...omats-Ministry __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

02-05-21, 02:56 PM	#225
Jimbuna Chief of the Boat Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: 250 metres below the surface Posts: 181,240 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 13	^The question being.....will there be reciprocal action taken? __________________ Wise men speak because they have something to say; Fools because they have to say something. Oh my God, not again!! GWX3.0 Download Page - Donation/instant access to GWX (Help SubSim)