UC3 Nautilus sunk - Peter Madsen charged with murder of journalist Kim Wall - Page 22

Carotio · 10-07-17, 05:21 AM

I see that the breaking news have allready surfaced here at subsim. 2 links for Danish articles:
https://www.bt.dk/krimi/politiet-har...s-hoved-og-ben
http://ekstrabladet.dk/112/peter-mad...fundet/6859636

The head and 2 legs of KW have been found in bags being held down by metal pieces. There is no sign of fracture on the skull of the head, and this info damages the explaination of PM greatly. He claimed that a 70kg heavy hatch fell on her head.
The lawyer of PM has been notified of the new findings, but only comments that any evidence must be proved in court. I predict her work from now will be difficult, if not near mission impossible. The police says that they will be questioning him soon again.
The head was identified using the teeth. The police had a route of Nautilus from that night which they have searched along, and about 1000 meters south of the point, where some special dogs had marked as searchable, they found the head and legs. The arms haven't been found yet.
Next court meeting is set for october 31st.

I wonder what explaination PM will come up with now....

Catfish · 10-07-17, 05:36 AM

Theoretically, still someone else can have done that. A fracture of the head is not necessary if she was diverted and just got a blow, and fell down the ladder breaking her neck.
But it is very unlikely.

Jimbuna · 10-07-17, 06:10 AM

A link to the BBC article:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-41536552

Platapus · 10-07-17, 06:12 AM

At this point, with the evidence already collected, I don't think he has any type of defense against these charges.

The sheer lunacy and sloppiness of this crime, leads me to believe it was a spur of the moment crime.

Morts · 10-07-17, 06:23 AM

I dont even know what to say at this point

Oberon · 10-07-17, 06:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Platapus

At this point, with the evidence already collected, I don't think he has any type of defense against these charges.

The sheer lunacy and sloppiness of this crime, leads me to believe it was a spur of the moment crime.

I'm inclined to agree, she was a pretty looking lass, he probably tried to make a move on her, she resisted and it all went down hill from there.

Poor girl.

Reece · 10-07-17, 06:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Theoretically, still someone else can have done that. A fracture of the head is not necessary if she was diverted and just got a blow, and fell down the ladder breaking her neck.
But it is very unlikely.

Try very, very, very unlikely!!

kraznyi_oktjabr · 10-07-17, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Reece

Try very, very, very unlikely!!

Yeah. If I was the judge hearing this case, I would propably have big troubles in believing into such storyline instead of prosecution's version. Ofcourse we won't know all details before trial but I don't think there is much what could save PM from murder conviction.

Onkel Neal · 10-07-17, 07:05 AM

Hi Tom, thank you kindly for your sentiment. I was only associated with Peter through some of our Danish Subsim members, notably McBeck. While I admired Peter's ingenuity and chutzpah, and appreciated his gesture of adding the SUBSIM logo to the Nautilus where other sponsors greatly contributed, I was not in contact with Peter other than the meet. As you said, the real pain is in the hearts of Kim Wall's family and friends.

Carotio · 10-07-17, 07:30 AM

http://nyheder.tv2.dk/krimi/2017-10-...ens-forklaring
http://ekstrabladet.dk/112/tidligere...igtige/6859654

2 more articles. I forgot to mention in my previous post that they also found a bag with her clothes and a knife. The clothes are of course also important to investigate for any clues of what happend. The knife is perhaps also the knife having been used to make the stab wounds, and maybe also to dismember her body parts. A previous investigator believes that they can maybe also find fingerprints on the bags even after so much time in the water. If they find similar bags in the sub or in his lab, they can connect PM to the bags with the body parts.

I seriously hope that they will find the arms too. If they find them and they have cuts, it could indicate a fight.

mapuc · 10-07-17, 11:33 AM

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Originally Posted by kraznyi_oktjabr

@Markus, Could you provide link to original article? Although Google Translate gives reasonable picture of content it is somewhat inaccurate with detail. Because of that I would like to read the original article.

For example the first sentence of that Google's translation reads as follows: ""Throughout the day, the police have been led by divers in Køge Bay next to Avedøre Holme after missing parts of Kim Wall's light." Okay, police is using divers to search something but I would be they are searching parts of her body, not her flashlight or something.

I was wondering if I should, now that we know what they found yesterday. post the link.

http://ekstrabladet.dk/112/ubaads-sa...t-fund/6859117

Markus

Obltn Strand · 10-07-17, 11:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Platapus

At this point, with the evidence already collected, I don't think he has any type of defense against these charges.

Plea guilty, temporary mental instability...just to name two...

Think my rape/murder theory holds...

mapuc · 10-07-17, 12:26 PM

When I earlier today heard Investigation Director Deputy Police Inspector Jens Møller telling about yesterdays findings and other important things about these findings

I said to myself

WHAT did happened these terrible hours ?

Some say that he tried to get her interested, but she refused and thereafter it went downhill.

What if, with the knowledge about the findings of the snuff-video on his computer, he had planned this from the day they agreed on the meeting.

Markus

Julhelm · 10-07-17, 01:17 PM

I think it went down like the lyrics to a Cannibal Corpse song.

Dan D · 10-08-17, 08:04 AM

http://m.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/...a-1171729.html

Says "head of victim found, no head fracture, so hatch on head accident testimony disproved"

10-07-17, 05:21 AM	#316
Carotio Mr. Bad Wolf Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Aabenraa, Denmark Posts: 1,488 Downloads: 47 Uploads: 0	I see that the breaking news have allready surfaced here at subsim. 2 links for Danish articles: https://www.bt.dk/krimi/politiet-har...s-hoved-og-ben http://ekstrabladet.dk/112/peter-mad...fundet/6859636 The head and 2 legs of KW have been found in bags being held down by metal pieces. There is no sign of fracture on the skull of the head, and this info damages the explaination of PM greatly. He claimed that a 70kg heavy hatch fell on her head. The lawyer of PM has been notified of the new findings, but only comments that any evidence must be proved in court. I predict her work from now will be difficult, if not near mission impossible. The police says that they will be questioning him soon again. The head was identified using the teeth. The police had a route of Nautilus from that night which they have searched along, and about 1000 meters south of the point, where some special dogs had marked as searchable, they found the head and legs. The arms haven't been found yet. Next court meeting is set for october 31st. I wonder what explaination PM will come up with now.... __________________ Download my mods from SHMF Follow my photography here taler dansk, speak English, spreche Deutsch, parle français, forstår svenska/norsk, comprendo castellano

10-07-17, 05:36 AM	#317
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	Theoretically, still someone else can have done that. A fracture of the head is not necessary if she was diverted and just got a blow, and fell down the ladder breaking her neck. But it is very unlikely. __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

10-07-17, 06:10 AM	#318
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10-07-17, 06:12 AM	#319
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 18,951 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	At this point, with the evidence already collected, I don't think he has any type of defense against these charges. The sheer lunacy and sloppiness of this crime, leads me to believe it was a spur of the moment crime. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

10-07-17, 07:05 AM	#324
Onkel Neal Born to Run Silent Join Date: Jan 1997 Location: Cougar Trap, Texas Posts: 21,284 Downloads: 534 Uploads: 224	Hi Tom, thank you kindly for your sentiment. I was only associated with Peter through some of our Danish Subsim members, notably McBeck. While I admired Peter's ingenuity and chutzpah, and appreciated his gesture of adding the SUBSIM logo to the Nautilus where other sponsors greatly contributed, I was not in contact with Peter other than the meet. As you said, the real pain is in the hearts of Kim Wall's family and friends. __________________ SUBSIM - 26 Years on the Web

10-07-17, 06:23 AM	#320
Morts Admiral Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Denmark Posts: 2,395 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	I dont even know what to say at this point

10-07-17, 07:30 AM	#325
Carotio Mr. Bad Wolf Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Aabenraa, Denmark Posts: 1,488 Downloads: 47 Uploads: 0	http://nyheder.tv2.dk/krimi/2017-10-...ens-forklaring http://ekstrabladet.dk/112/tidligere...igtige/6859654 2 more articles. I forgot to mention in my previous post that they also found a bag with her clothes and a knife. The clothes are of course also important to investigate for any clues of what happend. The knife is perhaps also the knife having been used to make the stab wounds, and maybe also to dismember her body parts. A previous investigator believes that they can maybe also find fingerprints on the bags even after so much time in the water. If they find similar bags in the sub or in his lab, they can connect PM to the bags with the body parts. I seriously hope that they will find the arms too. If they find them and they have cuts, it could indicate a fight. __________________ Download my mods from SHMF Follow my photography here taler dansk, speak English, spreche Deutsch, parle français, forstår svenska/norsk, comprendo castellano

10-07-17, 12:26 PM	#328
mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,886 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	When I earlier today heard Investigation Director Deputy Police Inspector Jens Møller telling about yesterdays findings and other important things about these findings I said to myself WHAT did happened these terrible hours ? Some say that he tried to get her interested, but she refused and thereafter it went downhill. What if, with the knowledge about the findings of the snuff-video on his computer, he had planned this from the day they agreed on the meeting. Markus

10-07-17, 01:17 PM	#329
Julhelm Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Icy North Posts: 690 Downloads: 189 Uploads: 0	I think it went down like the lyrics to a Cannibal Corpse song.

10-08-17, 08:04 AM	#330
Dan D Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: 9th Flotilla Posts: 839 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	http://m.spiegel.de/panorama/justiz/...a-1171729.html Says "head of victim found, no head fracture, so hatch on head accident testimony disproved" __________________