US Politics Thread 2016-2020 - Page 601

Dowly · 03-26-20, 07:55 AM

@Rockstar: EU member states are free to close their borders as needed, no permission from the EU is required.

Rockstar · 03-26-20, 10:07 AM

Yes my understanding is a single member state may temporarily reestablish their old border controls for up to 30 days (did anyone do that?). However if the entire Schengen Area is at risk the Council may, based on a proposal from the Commission, recommend that one or more Member States decide to reintroduce border control at all or at specific parts of their internal borders.
Your Schengen area was at risk and your Council didn't act to close the borders of Schengen Area until it was way over due.

From my perspective, this is what made the decision to close the Schengen Area not the individual Sovereign. Kinda looks like the U.N. and we all know how effective that is.

And of course your appointed President.

On a side note take a look at https://flightaware.com/live/ it seems everyone is still importing and exporting COVID-19.

Dowly · 03-26-20, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

Yes my understanding is a single member state may temporarily reestablish their old border controls for up to 30 days (did anyone do that?).

Yes. Number of countries did close their borders either partially or fully prior to any 'permission' from the EU. And again, no permission is needed. If all Schengen area countries decide to close their borders then it is irrelevant whether the Schengen agreement stays on or is suspended since no free travel takes place anyway.

Mr Quatro · 03-26-20, 10:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

But hey it is all the fault of the EU, of course. I must have written this a hundred times here.

I'm wondering? Has EU helped Italy or Spain with the covid-19 problem or have they just been worried about themselves in their own little countries?

Rockstar · 03-26-20, 11:22 AM

Oh my bad. All those sovereign nations acting in unison the day after, what the 17th of March was it? 4 months after Coronavirus had been made known to the world closed their borders. This right after the appointed E.U. president made her announcement regarding Schengen. That was just a coincidence, got it.

Dowly · 03-26-20, 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

Oh my bad. All those sovereign nations acting in unison the day after, what the 17th of March was it? 4 months after Coronavirus had been made known to the world closed their borders. This right after the appointed E.U. president made her announcement regarding Schengen. That was just a coincidence, got it.

Malta, Slovakia and the Czech Republic -all of which are Schengen countries- announced they close their borders on March 13.

So, again, no permission from EU needed.

mapuc · 03-26-20, 11:46 AM

Regarding this border controls

Denmark have had border controls since Jan. 2016 and have been extended several times.
Every time the Danish government does this, they have so to say been
called on the carpet by the EU.

It is however first time they have closed the border so tight as they have now.

Markus

Jimbuna · 03-26-20, 02:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Kptlt. Neuerburg

Well Jim just remember.

Have to concur there

Catfish · 03-26-20, 02:09 PM

I can assure you:
We are doing our best to follow suit

Onkel Neal · 03-27-20, 09:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Rockstar

Lets face it the U.S. isnt quite number one in infections just yet. Schengen Area with its population of 400 million is still number one and growing. With that I mind I just dont understand the euros infactuation and focus on Trump. Seems they have enough problems in their own backyard to contend with.

They do have their problems but who can ignore the complete disaster Trumpo is inflicting upon himself.

If he has been wise and proactive and taken this seriously, he would be a hero.

He didn't, so he's a bumbling idiot. Pretty simple.

Dowly · 03-27-20, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

They do have their problems but who can ignore the complete disaster Trumpo is inflicting upon himself.

If he has been wise and proactive and taken this seriously, he would be a hero.

He didn't, so he's a bumbling idiot. Pretty simple.

Exactly this. He is an idiot put in charge of a situation he doesn't know how to handle so he reverts to downplay its seriousness and giving false hope and reassurances. It's dangerous and reckless.

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“I have a feeling that a lot of the numbers that are being said in some areas are just bigger than they’re going to be,” he said. “I don't believe you need 40,000 or 30,000 ventilators. You go into major hospitals sometimes, and they’ll have two ventilators. And now all of a sudden they’re saying, ‘Can we order 30,000 ventilators?’”

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...navirus-151311

Onkel Neal · 03-27-20, 10:18 AM

Love your sig pic, lol

August · 03-27-20, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

They do have their problems but who can ignore the complete disaster Trumpo is inflicting upon himself.

If he has been wise and proactive and taken this seriously, he would be a hero.

He didn't, so he's a bumbling idiot. Pretty simple.

And yet President Trumps approval rating both against the virus and in general continues to rise in spite of your views. Go figure right?

Skybird · 03-27-20, 10:22 AM

I put this into both threads intentionally.

Jimbuna · 03-27-20, 10:31 AM

03-26-20, 10:07 AM	#9002
Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,832 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Yes my understanding is a single member state may temporarily reestablish their old border controls for up to 30 days (did anyone do that?). However if the entire Schengen Area is at risk the Council may, based on a proposal from the Commission, recommend that one or more Member States decide to reintroduce border control at all or at specific parts of their internal borders. Your Schengen area was at risk and your Council didn't act to close the borders of Schengen Area until it was way over due. From my perspective, this is what made the decision to close the Schengen Area not the individual Sovereign. Kinda looks like the U.N. and we all know how effective that is. And of course your appointed President. On a side note take a look at https://flightaware.com/live/ it seems everyone is still importing and exporting COVID-19. __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time. Last edited by Rockstar; 03-26-20 at 10:23 AM.

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Rockstar Rear Admiral Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Zendia Bar & Grill Posts: 11,832 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Oh my bad. All those sovereign nations acting in unison the day after, what the 17th of March was it? 4 months after Coronavirus had been made known to the world closed their borders. This right after the appointed E.U. president made her announcement regarding Schengen. That was just a coincidence, got it. __________________ Guardian of the honey and nuts Let's assume I'm right, it'll save time.

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Dowly Lucky Jack Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Finland Posts: 25,005 Downloads: 32 Uploads: 0	@Rockstar: EU member states are free to close their borders as needed, no permission from the EU is required.

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mapuc Fleet Admiral Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 17,877 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Regarding this border controls Denmark have had border controls since Jan. 2016 and have been extended several times. Every time the Danish government does this, they have so to say been called on the carpet by the EU. It is however first time they have closed the border so tight as they have now. Markus

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