The Revelation of Greta: no heavens behind the heavens

[Catfish]

So we have some dictators, some more or less democratic statesmen, some presidents and ministers with disabilities, and a new autistic messiah, and we follow them.
What does this tell us about the state of humanity?

^^^@Jim re the lawnmower

[u crank]

A bed time story for Greta. Sleep well.

https://www.scottadamssays.com/2019/...limate-change/

[Jimbuna]

^ I enjoyed that

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Hmm i think some billion kids demonstrating seem to support what she says, so she at least speaks for some on their behalf.

Teachers: "Hey kids, do you want a day off school to go to a climate protest?"
1 billion kids: 'yes please'
Ask them to give up a Saturday for it and then see how many turn up. Just saying.

And where did this 1 billion figure come from anyway? that's an 8th of mankind And probably about half the worlds children. I really doubt it was that much, but if it was - that's probably the most successful protest turnout in the history of the world.

Edit, from what i can see from multiple sites, its estimated at around 1.1 million. so I'm assuming you made a a typo.

[ikalugin]

Originally Posted by Catfish

^ True.
On the other side there a lot of people already despising or looking down upon challenged persons (for the lack of a better word) by pure gut feeling, and are searching for arguments that sound reasonable (to serve their already existing point of view).

It doesn't matter why those arguments are made or who makes them, as long as they are reasonable and well sourced.


https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...orwell/590638/
I would remind you about the section on the left wing double think in that article.


You should be wary of judging the argument on the politics of it's proponent or worse still on the nature of said proponent.
As such, while I do agree with skybird that her psycological condition does contribute to her views, I tend to go after her views rather than after her condition. The problem I see is that should I oppose her views in a debate, I would be accused of being a man of poor character, ie a biggot.

[JU_88]

Agree that outright attacking some one like Greta is ridiculous.
She is very low hanging fruit.
Best to keep focused on what the Adults (those actually in power) are doing.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by JU_88

[…] And where did this 1 billion figure come from anyway? […] Edit, from what i can see from multiple sites, its estimated at around 1.1 million. so I'm assuming you made a a typo.

Let's just call it Alternative Facts, this was such a fascinating Newspeak term i intend to use it as often as possible

Or then not, yes it is a typo . So round a million it was. Should i re-edit it?

[Jimbuna]

Did anyone else notice the stare she gave to Trump?

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by ikalugin

It doesn't matter why those arguments are made or who makes them, as long as they are reasonable and well sourced. […]

Theoretically, yes. However you often can expect a certain opinion or politics from persons with a certain political background. E.g. you will seldom find a political left-winger support a company's decision to cut loans and fire Workers, even if there may be reasons for the latter that not necessarilay have to do with greed, but economical reasons to save the company as a whole.
What i mean is a lot of people choose sides and then begin to search for reasons and arguments supporting their pre-fixed opinion, left and right.

But yes i did get your point. Also "The crucial issue was not that Trump might abolish democracy but that Americans had put him in a position to try. Unfreedom today is voluntary. It comes from the bottom up."

And a good TheAtlantic article it is, though i do not entirely agree with the author in all points; thanks for posting!

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Let's just call it Alternative Facts, this was such a fascinating Newspeak term i intend to use it as often as possible

Fair play

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Did anyone else notice the stare she gave to Trump?

Yes, Quite a few noticed

[Rockstar]

"You have stolen my dreams and my childhood with your empty words and yet, I'm one of the lucky ones," Thunberg told the assembly, her signature long braid swept to the side. "People are suffering, people are dying."

I guess if an adult cant win the argument they will prey upon lessor developed minds of children to do their work for them. What a sad state of affairs this has become. IMO those were not the words of science they are words of a frightened and abused child. Fekkin animals.

On a side note give the poor kid a break. She most likely had to be taught early in her childhood to make eye contact.

[Onkel Neal]

Wouldn't it be funny if in 50 years it all comes true, and the world ecology death spirals into a Venetian hellscape... she would be the Messiah.

[August]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

"You have stolen my dreams and my childhood with your empty words and yet, I'm one of the lucky ones," Thunberg told the assembly, her signature long braid swept to the side. "People are suffering, people are dying."

I guess if an adult cant win the argument they will prey upon lessor developed minds of children to do their work for them. What a sad state of affairs this has become. IMO those were not the words of science they are words of a frightened and abused child. Fekkin animals.

On a side note give the poor kid a break. She most likely had to be taught early in her childhood to make eye contact.

Who knows what these two taught her:

[Onkel Neal]

You think they'll take their show to China next? I hear those billion or so people are major contributors to global warming.

[JU_88]

@August, yeah, that might explain a few things.

I don't know, but I'm trying my best to tell my kid what certain people believe politically without casting negative aspersions,
I want him to weigh it up and make up his own damn mind, rather than just blindly copy me or his mother.