Wuhan virus 2020

[Mr Quatro]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

I agree with ya buddy. But I still cant let go the coincidence of the lab being just a few blocks away from the wet market. Reports that Wuhan lab has been seen as a bio-security risk for several years. Coupled with Wonder Bread's ego letting fly something he may have heard during one of his intel briefs.

China I think kept the lid on it because it would be extremely embarrassing to be caught screwing up AGAIN. Anyway, the narrative MUST lead us to believe it wasnt the Chinese government or the Wuhan Lab otherwise something worse than the virus might happen.

Good points Rockstar from the beginning I thought the lab was at falut and that there was some kind of connection with Chinese student researchers being expelled from colleges in San Francisco. I had a little help with the thinking when my boss said someone in the lab sold the research animals to the market nearby and pocketed the money instead of destroying the animals.

If this virus is not man made it is man to blame

I like your post too Platapus showing us all that good that can come out of this history making world wide calamity

Originally Posted by Platapus

In any crisis, there are people who are looking for someone to blame and then there are people looking to find ways to help.

[Rockstar]

Its been shown we were doing the same thing they were most likley doing at the Wuhan lab, trying to enhance virulence of SARS, MERS and influenza. Thankfully our own Gain Of Function research scared the hell out of us enough that we cut funding to it until we could better understood the risks. And Id bet they (the Chinese) didn't and it got away from them.

But of course our 'intel services' (whatever that means) CNN, FOX and DNYUS news says otherwise.

My other concern is if we cant kick start our economies back to normal and others start poking the bear, the bear being the U.S. I bet things gonna escalate pretty damn quick.

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

I agree with ya buddy. But I still cant let go the coincidence of the lab being just a few blocks away from the wet market. Reports that Wuhan lab has been seen as a bio-security risk for several years. Coupled with Wonder Bread's ego letting fly something he may have heard during one of his intel briefs.

China I think kept the lid on it because it would be extremely embarrassing to be caught screwing up AGAIN. Anyway, the narrative MUST lead us to believe it wasnt the Chinese government or the Wuhan Lab otherwise something worse than the virus might happen.

I'm gonna let you in on a very closely held secret, so don't tell anyone else:


TRUMP LIES!!...

..ABOUT EVERYTHING!!...

...AND ANYTHING!!...

...CONSTANTLY!!...


I wouldn't trust anything Trump says he is certain about, and this "insider intel" is just another of his very, very many vague claims made without any actual proofs or corroborations. Its just like when he says "many people " have told him something, the actual truth is he pulled his claims out of his ample butt. As far as " something he may have heard during one of his intel briefs", well, he is known to zone out during meetings and to selectively parse the subject matter to fit his own agenda/needs; in other words, accuracy and integrity are not among Trump's strong points...


The characterization of the Wuhan lab "being just a few blocks away from the wet market" is also misleading: the lab is reported as being at least eight miles away from the lab, so critical proximity is/was not an issue...


When it comes to information about Covid-19, I prefer to place my trust in the words of those with actual first hand knowledge of the nature and causes of viruses and the medical efforts to identify and treat/cure them; politicians, particularly those with a well known and documented disregard for the truth, are very poor SMEs, to say the least. Doctors and experts like Fauci and Birx, with lifetime experiences in the field are a far wiser choice for information and data...


I often make reference to an old advertising slogan: "Ask the man who owns one".; it was the slogan of the Packard motorcar company and simply stated the best way to know the truth about their product was to ask an actual buyer and user. This idea is something to be applied to a lot of situational judgements: if you want to know about the science of Covid-19, do you ask a lay person with very little to no specialized medical knowledge and/or experience or do you ask a respected specialist with a long track record in the field? I'd ask the man (or woman) who "owns" the knowledge...


In that vein, this is an article about a US scientist who actually worked at the Wuhan lab in question, even to the point of training Chinese lab researchers; the level of detail about the internal operations at Wuhan by someone, not of the Chinese government, nor of the Trump administration, by someone who was actually there and participated in daily functions carries a whole lot more weight than the jibber-jabber of politicians:


A US researcher who worked with a Wuhan virology lab gives 4 reasons why a coronavirus leak would be extremely unlikely --

https://www.businessinsider.com/why-...earcher-2020-4


Don't know about anyone else, but in matter like Covid-19, I'm putting my trust in actual knowledgeable medical experts and not in the ravings of a desperate, fat-ass politician...






<O>

[mapuc]

Even some scientist agree with Skybird, in his statement that lack of D-vitamin is why people from certain countries or skin colour are more anti-resistance against this Corona.

Preliminary findings from a yet-to-be-peer-reviewed study from the UK's Queen Elizabeth Hospital Foundation Trust and the University of East Anglia indicate that a vitamin D deficiency may be associated with a higher mortality in Covid-19 patients. The association has brought into question whether or not it’s advisable for people in countries associated with lower levels of vitamin D to take supplements as a precaution.

https://www.iflscience.com/health-an...TBif2wlORC22Mo

Markus

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by vienna

I'm gonna let you in on a very closely held secret, so don't tell anyone else:


TRUMP LIES!!...

..ABOUT EVERYTHING!!...

...AND ANYTHING!!...

...CONSTANTLY!!...


I wouldn't trust anything Trump says he is certain about, and this "insider intel" is just another of his very, very many vague claims made without any actual proofs or corroborations. Its just like when he says "many people " have told him something, the actual truth is he pulled his claims out of his ample butt. As far as " something he may have heard during one of his intel briefs", well, he is known to zone out during meetings and to selectively parse the subject matter to fit his own agenda/needs; in other words, accuracy and integrity are not among Trump's strong points...


The characterization of the Wuhan lab "being just a few blocks away from the wet market" is also misleading: the lab is reported as being at least eight miles away from the lab, so critical proximity is/was not an issue...


When it comes to information about Covid-19, I prefer to place my trust in the words of those with actual first hand knowledge of the nature and causes of viruses and the medical efforts to identify and treat/cure them; politicians, particularly those with a well known and documented disregard for the truth, are very poor SMEs, to say the least. Doctors and experts like Fauci and Birx, with lifetime experiences in the field are a far wiser choice for information and data...


I often make reference to an old advertising slogan: "Ask the man who owns one".; it was the slogan of the Packard motorcar company and simply stated the best way to know the truth about their product was to ask an actual buyer and user. This idea is something to be applied to a lot of situational judgements: if you want to know about the science of Covid-19, do you ask a lay person with very little to no specialized medical knowledge and/or experience or do you ask a respected specialist with a long track record in the field? I'd ask the man (or woman) who "owns" the knowledge...


In that vein, this is an article about a US scientist who actually worked at the Wuhan lab in question, even to the point of training Chinese lab researchers; the level of detail about the internal operations at Wuhan by someone, not of the Chinese government, nor of the Trump administration, by someone who was actually there and participated in daily functions carries a whole lot more weight than the jibber-jabber of politicians:


A US researcher who worked with a Wuhan virology lab gives 4 reasons why a coronavirus leak would be extremely unlikely --

https://www.businessinsider.com/why-...earcher-2020-4


Don't know about anyone else, but in matter like Covid-19, I'm putting my trust in actual knowledgeable medical experts and not in the ravings of a desperate, fat-ass politician...






<O>

Hey now, even you said in another topic his ego is huge. This in my opinion would cause him to share 'his' ideas for viral disinfection, or hint that 'he' knew little Un was still alive, and now saying 'he' knows the escape was from Wuhan. Like him or not he is the president and briefed and made aware of whats going on in the world. Its just that his ego strives to make him feel special, the centerpiece of attention by telling people he knows things we're not privy too.

And as far as listening too medical professionals, I do. But bare in mind I'm not trying to argue personal likes or dislikes or that you're wrong and I'm right. I'm just saying from I've read, lancet, NIH, media etc etc. things are not as clear cut as some make it out to be. Time will tell and frankly I think its waaay too early to put all my eggs in one basket.

[Catfish]

"There is no glory in prevention." (Christian Drosten)

[vienna]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Hey now, even you said in another topic his ego is huge. This in my opinion would cause him to share 'his' ideas for viral disinfection, or hint that 'he' knew little Un was still alive, and now saying 'he' knows the escape was from Wuhan. Like him or not he is the president and briefed and made aware of whats going on in the world. Its just that his ego strives to make him feel special, the centerpiece of attention by telling people he knows things we're not privy too.

And as far as listening too medical professionals, I do. But bare in mind I'm not trying to argue personal likes or dislikes or that you're wrong and I'm right. I'm just saying from I've read, lancet, NIH, media etc etc. things are not as clear cut as some make it out to be. Time will tell and frankly I think its waaay too early to put all my eggs in one basket.

Oh, yes, Trump does have an ego; in fact, its "Yuuuge", the biggest and bestest in the world, ever, never ever seen before and it is the most "beautiful" ever and we would know that were it not for Trump's world famous modesty...


It is one thing to be briefed and another to actually pay attention, ask serious questions, analyze and make considered decisions; given Trump's woefully minute range of knowledge on any matters, except his own superiority, and given his wont to avoid actual fact in favor of 'out of the butt' lunacy, the chances he is making decisions about something as crucial as the lives of US citizens in the face of Covid-19 based on fully informed consideration rather the personal and political self-interest is virtually nil. I have had the experience, and I would wager others have also, of being at meetings where principals of a business are being briefed about substantiate matters and some of those principals either being unable or unwilling to grasp the matters being discussed. I once had to do a coupe of presentations to lawyers at a Beverly Hills law firm, including senior partners regarding the implementation of a new in-house computer system and billing program. One of the partners was known for having a mental density akin to lead and he did not disappoint when, during a question and answer session at the end of the presentation, he asked a couple of questions that were stunningly obtuse; one of the questions about a billing stricture was so illegal of the face of it, it stunned the room; the other senior partners' heads whipped around to glare at him so fast I thought they'd get whiplash; the lawyer in question had been a member of the White House staff under Nixon and he proudly displayed two letters of commendation, one each from Haldeman and Ehrlichman, on the wall of his office; he was always a pain to deal with and never seemed to fully comprehend anything he was told, yet, because of his connections and associations, he was a partner...

Being in room during a briefing and actually being present are two very different things; ask any schoolteacher or parent of a teenager. Trump is like a spoiled toddler who only hears what he wants to hear and believes only what he wants to believe, even in the face of incontrovertible fact, and who has no problem, morally and/or ethically, making up "facts" to fit his "realities". He is a PINO (President In Name Only) and, after November, will be heavily 'unmissed'...

About listening to medical and scientific professionals about medical and scientific matters, it is more a matter of weight: which carries the most weight? The opinions based on years, sometimes decades, of experience and knowledge of actual practitioners in the fields in discussion or the opinions of someone whose most recent prior experience was as a 'reality TV' celebrity who has zilch knowledge and experience in the fields in discussion? Remember, Trump's the guy who openly, in public, on national TV, made the boneheaded suggestion of injecting bleach or other disinfectants into a human body...

I'm not saying anyone should listen solely to only medical professionals, or even only to a particular professional; I am merely saying, in matters requiring expertise, it is better to listen to and consider the opinions of experts in the subject field(s); listening to the rantings of the Big Orange Loon are, to be kind, 'counterproductive'...

Outside of conspiracy theorists, politicians with agendas to push, or those who blindly support anything spewing from the White House, actual knowledgeable scientists, US intel agencies, intel agencies from outside the US, and investigative efforts by the press have not found any actual evidence to substantiate or confirm any solid connection to Covid-19 and the Wuhan lab nor that the virus is man-made; quite to the contrary, the bulk of confirmed findings points to a substantiation of an organic origin of the virus...


I noticed you did not seem to comment on the substance of the link I provided; any thoughts on the insights of an actual witness and participant in/of the Wuhan lab?...





<O>

[blackswan40]

Social Distancing two meters apart Guide

[Mr Quatro]

To: Jim or Steve if this reminder is in the wrong thread then feel free to transfer it to the US Politics Thread or even it's own thread

https://www.chicagotribune.com/retir...w4y-story.html

Facing negative emotions helps mental health

Do you think mentally healthy people strive to have upbeat emotions? If so, you’re right. However, do you realize that all ugly emotions need attention too?

Mentally healthy people have a full range of emotions. But if you’re overly upbeat, you might be suppressing reality.

“I teach my clients to name, claim and honor their worst feelings,” says a mental health counselor we’ll call Janine. “Hidden feelings such as fear, shame, and anger can eat you up like cancer. They can mess up all of your relationships as well. Bad feelings will erupt at the worst possible time.”

Learn to speak your emotions. This helps soften your urge to act them out. For example, tell your spouse, “I’m angry about having to work overtime.” Keep a journal of your feelings, too.

— Try to clearly identify as many emotions as you can. If you feel anxious, sad, panicky, disappointed, or angry as hell, admit this to yourself. For example, if a relative tried to hurt you as a child, that anger is still buried in your spirit.

— Examine how your emotions might be affecting others. Don’t bottle them up for an explosion. For example, we all get upset with our families when relatives are coming over and the house is a mess. If you feel aggravated, tell those around you and tell them why.

[Jimbuna]

More than 65,000 coronavirus-related deaths have been reported in the US - Johns Hopkins University.

As elsewhere the real figure will be higher.

UK coronavirus fatalities stand at 28,131, but death rate is slowing.

UK Communities Secretary Robert Jenrick pledges £76m to support 'most vulnerable'

Additional funds will go to charities addressing domestic violence, modern slavery and vulnerable children.

Face masks will be mandatory on public transport in Spain from Monday.

Malaysia rounds up undocumented migrants to halt the spread of the virus, police say.

[Skybird]

The case against China thickens.

https://www.dailytelegraph.com.au/co...1c0e96ad17da60

China may noit have artificlaly crfeated this virus, but it "deliberately suppressed or destroyed evidence of the coronavirus outbreak in an “assault on international transparency’’ that cost tens of thousands of lives, according to a dossier prepared by concerned Western governments on the COVID-19 contagion."

And for this they must be held repsoisjible. They miust pay for this crime. They willed the killing of thousands and tens of thousands of foreign citizens. I stick to it, I dsaid it befotre: this represents an act of war. You cannot just slay tens fo thosuan ds by your deeds and plans and expect to get away with it.

Just days ago the Australians demanded an international inquiry, and immediately triggered a hostile angry reaction by the criminals in Bejing threatening Australia with boycotts and further reprisals.

China is no ally. It is no friend. It is brutal, and tyrannic. We must cut ties and start playing tough on them. Such things shall not be decided by private business interests. We must bring back our production and know-how from China, and then lock them out. After the Corona backlash, this is the next economic fallout we need to face. We let this genie out of the bottle, we pampewred it, we edcuated it, we gave it knowledge and money and support to make it big and string. And now it is big and strong, and it is evil. Now it threatens to crush us. I mean its not just this virus. Its all whnat chian stands for since twenty years. We need to get this genie back back in. Difficult, very, yes. We must do our best.

And that means: we must start playing dirty. Extremely dirty. They do that since long already.

A lesson especially Germany has to learn. I have little doubt that it will not. Short-term money interest beats longterm strategic interests, and Germany desperately depends on export. Thjats why I say since twenmyt years that the Germany economy is not strong, as it claims, but weak. If you depend on factors outside your control and export that much, then you are - not strong, but dependent. Depending means: being weak.

[mapuc]

^I was about to write on our economy(the little knowledge I have on this subject)when I read you last part of your comment

The one on Germany.

´cause you're right no lesson will be learned or they will not be interested.

There's thousands and billions of Euros at stake if EU and it's member countries export to China are interrupted somehow

They may be thinking

So what - We lost a couple of thousands of life to this corona, but what will we lose if China cut our lifeline to their marked

Markus

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Even some scientist agree with Skybird, in his statement that lack of D-vitamin is why people from certain countries or skin colour are more anti-resistance against this Corona.



https://www.iflscience.com/health-an...TBif2wlORC22Mo

Markus

IN case somebody now concludes to just consume higher doses of vit d, please google it carefully before you do. High consummation of vit d can negatively affect your calcium balance, calcium than does not get build i to bones, but saturates the blood, leadind to blocked arteries and kidney stones. Therefore consummation of vit d must be accompanied with consuming vit k complex and magnesia as well.

Google is your friend. Be advised that recommendations for daily doses vary dramatically in different nations, from 1000 to 20000 international units. I currently take 20000 indeed, but will reduce that to a daily dose of 5000 after 4 to 6 weeks, when i assume the reservoir is filled up. I take vit k complex, with time delay, and magnesium as well. And vit c and selen. Its all ammo supply for the immune systems guns and rifles. It does not give it any more guns and rifles - but those it has will be fully loaded to the maximum of their magazines. That is what it is about.