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Catfish · 05-13-21, 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Rossell-Peugeot?

YES! This is it.

The engine is the Rossel-Peugeot 70 hp, 7 cylinder, built in 1907.
Complete name was "Société Anonyme des constructions aériennes Rossel-Peugeot"

Will post some information later in case anyone is interested (i guess not lol)

Here goes:

This is the only Rossel-Peugeot i found on the 'net, presented at the Paris Flight Salon 1910, not even sure whether it is the 50 or 70 hp version:

In 1903, Frédéric Rossel founded the automobile company "F. Rossel et Cie" in the city of Montbéliard, later named "SA des Automobiles Rossel". The production of automobiles began in 1903, often using Daimler/Mercedes engines at that time or so i read. The brand name was just Rossel. Production of the automotive company seized in 1926, when Peugeot took over the company.

"Frédéric Rossel, while already working for Peugeot a few years, and with car sales figures depressed at this time, turned his interests to aviation and convinced the Peugeot Brothers to form the “Société Anonyme des constructions aériennes Rossel-Peugeot”.

They needed a plane to try the engine out, but there were no "planes" to have at the time, Santos-Dumont just having flown on October 23, 1906, when his 14-bis biplane flew about 200 feet at a height of around 15 feet before a large Parisian crowd in the world’s first public powered flight – but it was in a straight line, the contraption was almost not manoeuverable sideways.
So Rossel and Peugeot decided to build an own experimental plane, which took three years until 1910.

The designer of their plane is said to be a Robert Savary, it was built by the Reggy frères, who also furnished the propeller, and the monoplane was powered by the 70 hp Rossel rotary engine (the internet is wrong here with 50 hp version). The real first flight was piloted by Monsieur Jules Goux (1913 the first Frenchman to win the Indianapolis 500 motorcar race) - but just 5 minutes into the air the machine lay wrecked on the ground, with Goux unhurt. The engine was salvaged and rebuilt, but not used again.

Photo of the one and only Rossel-Peugeot plan (afaik):

I just took this photo of the engine out of my photo archive, was not aware that info on this was so scarce on the 'net.. after all it was just an early rotary. Sorry for the fuss..

Over to Buddahaid

Buddahaid · 05-13-21, 12:28 PM

It was one of seven possibilities based on going down a list of aircraft engine manufacturers. I really didn't have anything to go on but that.

Aktungbby · 05-13-21, 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Originally known as the Gnome Omega?

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Rossell-Peugeot?

my source says the 1910 Rossell-Peugeot monoplane was powered by a Gnome 7 Omega...which Jimbuna posted...I need an aspirin...

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Originally Posted by Wiki

General characteristics

Crew: 1
Length: 9.30 m (30 ft 6 in)
Wingspan: 10.20 m (33 ft 6 in)
Wing area: 20.00 m2 (215.3 sq ft)
Gross weight: 350 kg (772 lb)
Powerplant: 1 × Gnome 7 Omega 7-cylinder air-cooled rotary piston engine, 37 kW (50 hp)
Propellers: 2-bladed fixed-pitch propeller

Jimbuna · 05-13-21, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Aktungbby

my source says the 1910 Rossell-Peugeot monoplane was powered by a Gnome 7 Omega...which Jimbuna posted...I need an aspirin...

Rgr that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rossel-Peugeot_monoplane

Catfish · 05-13-21, 01:01 PM

This is where the Wiki is maybe wrong, anyway the Peugeot-Rossel engine in question is not a "Gnome".

The Omega was produced by the "Société des Moteurs Gnome" and "emerged in the spring of 1909 as the 7-cylinder rotary Gnome Omega, delivering 50 hp (37 kW) from 75 kg".
This one had 70 hp and a weight of around 85 kg, in 1907.

Moonlight · 05-13-21, 01:34 PM

Moonlight sticks hand up in the air waving wildly like an headless chicken, at first you said it wasn't anything to do with aircraft and at the end it did power an aircraft?, anymore "guess what this is" images like that and I'm gonna need more than a bloody aspirin you silly ass.

Catfish · 05-13-21, 01:38 PM

^ Where did i write it had nothing to do with aircraft?

Buddahaid · 05-13-21, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Rgr that.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rossel-Peugeot_monoplane

It's not the same engine by the photos. The Omega doesn't have flats around the crankcase where the cylinders attach which is why I didn't suggest it earlier.

Moonlight · 05-13-21, 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Catfish

^ Where did i write it had nothing to do with aircraft?

Ahem.

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Originally Posted by Catfish

Sorry, had reread the info, it is a pre-ww1 engine, so probably not mounted on a ww1 fighter at all.

Buddahaid · 05-13-21, 02:41 PM

Not mounted on a WW1 fighter doesn't excude its use on aircraft. Especially when you can see a prop in the photo.

Catfish · 05-13-21, 02:55 PM

^ Thanks, exactly.

@Moonlight I answered to Mapuc's question whether it was mounted on "some famous WW1 fighter", and i said it wasn't.
Not famous, not WW1, and not a fighter.
I also gave you a hint with the "lion's share" of the major company that is still leading the PSA concern, now recently renamed to "Stellantis". The lion is the Peugeot brand logo.

I say Buddhaid wins it since he was the one to mention Peugeot-Rossel first. And this company invented and built the engine shown

Aktungbby · 05-13-21, 03:16 PM

Well I 'm glad that's all settled; and the Continuum is in the ascendant once again!

Buddahaid · 05-13-21, 08:56 PM

Sorry for the delay.

Who is this?

Aktungbby · 05-13-21, 09:00 PM

german?

Buddahaid · 05-13-21, 09:07 PM

No.

05-13-21, 12:28 PM	#17117
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,566 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	It was one of seven possibilities based on going down a list of aircraft engine manufacturers. I really didn't have anything to go on but that. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

05-13-21, 01:01 PM	#17120
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	This is where the Wiki is maybe wrong, anyway the Peugeot-Rossel engine in question is not a "Gnome". The Omega was produced by the "Société des Moteurs Gnome" and "emerged in the spring of 1909 as the 7-cylinder rotary Gnome Omega, delivering 50 hp (37 kW) from 75 kg". This one had 70 hp and a weight of around 85 kg, in 1907. __________________ >^..^<)))>{ All generalizations are wrong. Last edited by Catfish; 05-13-21 at 01:18 PM.*

05-13-21, 01:34 PM	#17121
Moonlight Admiral Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Fookhall Copse Posts: 2,144 Downloads: 184 Uploads: 0	Moonlight sticks hand up in the air waving wildly like an headless chicken, at first you said it wasn't anything to do with aircraft and at the end it did power an aircraft?, anymore "guess what this is" images like that and I'm gonna need more than a bloody aspirin you silly ass. __________________

05-13-21, 01:38 PM	#17122
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ Where did i write it had nothing to do with aircraft? __________________ >^..^<)))>{ All generalizations are wrong. Last edited by Catfish; 05-13-21 at 02:50 PM.*

05-13-21, 02:41 PM	#17125
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,566 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	Not mounted on a WW1 fighter doesn't excude its use on aircraft. Especially when you can see a prop in the photo. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

05-13-21, 02:55 PM	#17126
Catfish Dipped Squirrel Operative Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: ..where the ocean meets the sky Posts: 16,897 Downloads: 38 Uploads: 0	^ Thanks, exactly. @Moonlight I answered to Mapuc's question whether it was mounted on "some famous WW1 fighter", and i said it wasn't. Not famous, not WW1, and not a fighter. I also gave you a hint with the *"lion's share"* of the major company that is still leading the PSA concern, now recently renamed to "Stellantis". The lion is the Peugeot brand logo. I say Buddhaid wins it since he was the one to mention Peugeot-Rossel first. And this company invented and built the engine shown __________________ >^..^<*)))>{ All generalizations are wrong.

05-13-21, 03:16 PM	#17127
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 27,894 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	Well I 'm glad that's all settled; and the Continuum is in the ascendant once again! __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness; and I'm not too sure about the Universe"

05-13-21, 08:56 PM	#17128
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,566 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	Sorry for the delay. Who is this? __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie

05-13-21, 09:00 PM	#17129
Aktungbby Gefallen Engel U-666 Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: On a tilted, overheated, overpopulated spinning mudball on Collision course with Andromeda Galaxy Posts: 27,894 Downloads: 22 Uploads: 0	german? __________________ "Only two things are infinite; The Universe and human squirrelyness; and I'm not too sure about the Universe"

05-13-21, 09:07 PM	#17130
Buddahaid Shark above Space Chicken Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 8,566 Downloads: 160 Uploads: 0	No. __________________ "However vast the darkness, we must provide our own light." Stanley Kubrick "Tomorrow belongs to those who can hear it coming." David Bowie