[WIP] The Modern Subs Project - Page 20

11-11-10, 02:06 AM

noticed the ai submarine-post i send some time ago? i`ve recently made some mod changes and forgot about the AI-LA`s torpedo deployment. running the test mission, i notized the enemy kirov capital ships being hit by several torpedoes fired from the ai`s quite accurately from 800-1000 metres away. when i checked the files, i registered they where now using the shkwal rocket torpedo at 200 knots of speed.for some reason that even solved the problem of having them fire in the wrong direction. i am now trying to make the surface /submerge behavior a triggered animation, i.e. to make the sub dive in case of an attack. i am also experimenting with subs based on the cmdr_AIplane controller. have you found a working way to increase the speed of AirTopedos?

polyfiller · 11-11-10, 10:18 AM

I also found a marked increase in accuracy when you increase the torpedo speed .... however if you do a test with a sub in the general "area" ... starting, say 8000m - 15000m away from the intedned target, I found that the target would set off all it's topredoes as soon as it's launcher was in range - and at 200 knots the range is quite significant .... and they all miss. By the time the target get's within a more reasonable range (less than 5000m) ... it is always out of ammo.

I did a whole bunch of work to try and tune accuracy without increase the speed of the ammunition ... what worked best was have 4 tubes firing, each with a slightly different angle of tilt on the horizontal - effectively creating a salvo spread over an angle of around 20 degrees. When 4 fish were launched, at least 1 or 2 hit.... however, the early engeagement issue and therefore out of ammo result still persists ... the range of a gun in SH4.sim file means nothing .... it's the actual ammunition velocity which determines range.... and even at relativel slow speeds, the game thinks it has a long range.

I guess another fix is to give the sub a different AI sensor ... but that would prevent it tracking down a target in any way. Basically the way it works now is if the sub detects the target, it fires.

Marka Ragnos · 11-11-10, 04:32 PM

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Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

Thank you for your feedback Marka. I'm aware of the torpedo and periscope issues already. My focus is more on the CTD. Did you experience any while doing multiple missions (one after another)? This is the problem I'm trying to sort out at the moment as it can really take a way from the experience.

For now it only happens when i exit, not when i choose another mission or so.

Herr_Pete · 11-12-10, 04:45 AM

Hi there guys, after a year I have re-installed SH4 but sadly I have misplaced the U-Boat missions cd. Do any of these Modern Submarines work with just 1.4?

Pete

andy_311 · 11-12-10, 04:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Marka Ragnos

For now it only happens when i exit, not when i choose another mission or so.

I d/loaded the sub yesterday and took it for a spin in FOTRS single missions and i was impressed even got her to go down over 1008 FT however as soon as i tried it out on the battle of samar it CTD.

Herr_Pete · 11-12-10, 05:03 AM

I have noticed Los Angeles, Skipjack and Ohio are all available for 1.4.

I have downloaded them and extracted them to the MODS folder, activated 1 at a time via GM enabler but in game I haven't noticed them anywhere.

Do they replace any of the ww2 subs or should they be stand alone?

My SH4 is up to 1.4 and Vanilla otherwise.

Pete

11-12-10, 05:05 AM

Hey pete , never tested the stuff with v1.4, so i can`t tell...

Herr_Pete · 11-12-10, 10:15 AM

Managed to get every single submarine working. Fantastic mods!! love them.

Skipjack however seems to lose its Conning tower when all mods are applied. Not to sure why? is this a known issue?

Is the Soviet Alpha class submarine available to?

keltos01 · 11-12-10, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Herr_Pete

Managed to get every single submarine working. Fantastic mods!! love them.

Skipjack however seems to lose its Conning tower when all mods are applied. Not to sure why? is this a known issue?

Is the Soviet Alpha class submarine available to?

look for a unitpartsXAlpha where x is the subs unitparts number and renumber it after the last existing number f.i. if you have subs -> unitsparts
16Alpha

keltos

Dr.Silversides · 11-13-10, 04:10 PM

Hey, everybody. I've been out of the loop with this ongoing project, so I've been going back through and trying to read up on progress. First off the cold war mod is ammmaaazzzinnggg. It isn't completed yet, is it? Is there a link for the download? What is the overall progress on it? This thing is gonna be awesome. Thanks for making it!

Kromus · 11-13-10, 06:49 PM

@jhapprich

You are doing some unbelievable work here (with everyone else involed too of course), can`t wait to play with Oscar-II class

.

11-13-10, 06:52 PM

Work proceeds slowly. The redesign of the surface fleets take a lot of time.
haven`t done much about the campaign.no, there is no download available yet. the oscar has been implemented, the triton model is half-finished. an alfa is available, but thanks to hotmanandre i was given a more detailed model which needs some rework, so there will be a different version in the final mod.for some reason the akula doesn`t work any longer, haven`t found the reason yet. the nimitz class carriers are ingame now. any interested modders are free to help.

Marka Ragnos · 11-14-10, 04:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jhapprich

Work proceeds slowly. The redesign of the surface fleets take a lot of time.
haven`t done much about the campaign.no, there is no download available yet. the oscar has been implemented, the triton model is half-finished. an alfa is available, but thanks to hotmanandre i was given a more detailed model which needs some rework, so there will be a different version in the final mod.for some reason the akula doesn`t work any longer, haven`t found the reason yet. the nimitz class carriers are ingame now. any interested modders are free to help.

What type of modders do you need?

I have some basic knowledge in editing various settings like speed, torpedoes range and power.

Editing dds files and stuff like that.
I know it's not much but i would like to help wherever possible.

Sledgehammer427 · 11-14-10, 02:27 PM

I second Marka.
I've collected a lot of stuff concerning the Cold War over the years and I'm halfway decent at building 3d models (I'm better at kitbashing but I've done some decent work on my own before) as well as run-of-the-mill modding. I started my SH4 modding career waaayyyyy back working with CW subs
XP

so I can test, and if I find a problem I can fix it, if I can't I know someone who does...and I'd love to help put this thing together

ETR3(SS) · 11-14-10, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by andy_311

I d/loaded the sub yesterday and took it for a spin in FOTRS single missions and i was impressed even got her to go down over 1008 FT however as soon as i tried it out on the battle of samar it CTD.

So it worked for one mission and then it CTD on the next correct? Could you try it again without FOTRS and see what happens?

11-11-10, 02:06 AM	#286
jhapprich Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	AI subs `n`torpedos noticed the ai submarine-post i send some time ago? i`ve recently made some mod changes and forgot about the AI-LA`s torpedo deployment. running the test mission, i notized the enemy kirov capital ships being hit by several torpedoes fired from the ai`s quite accurately from 800-1000 metres away. when i checked the files, i registered they where now using the shkwal rocket torpedo at 200 knots of speed.for some reason that even solved the problem of having them fire in the wrong direction. i am now trying to make the surface /submerge behavior a triggered animation, i.e. to make the sub dive in case of an attack. i am also experimenting with subs based on the cmdr_AIplane controller. have you found a working way to increase the speed of AirTopedos?

11-13-10, 04:10 PM	#295
Dr.Silversides Watch Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: US Posts: 21 Downloads: 15 Uploads: 0	Hey, everybody. I've been out of the loop with this ongoing project, so I've been going back through and trying to read up on progress. First off the cold war mod is ammmaaazzzinnggg. It isn't completed yet, is it? Is there a link for the download? What is the overall progress on it? This thing is gonna be awesome. Thanks for making it! __________________ "It's really a wonder that I haven't dropped all my ideals, because they seem so absurd and impossible to carry out, yet I keep them because...In spite of everything, I still believe that people are truly good at heart"-Anne Frank

11-14-10, 02:27 PM	#299
Sledgehammer427 PacWagon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Drinking coffee and staring at trees in Massachusetts Posts: 2,901 Downloads: 280 Uploads: 0	I second Marka. I've collected a lot of stuff concerning the Cold War over the years and I'm halfway decent at building 3d models (I'm better at kitbashing but I've done some decent work on my own before) as well as run-of-the-mill modding. I started my SH4 modding career waaayyyyy back working with CW subs XP so I can test, and if I find a problem I can fix it, if I can't I know someone who does...and I'd love to help put this thing together __________________ Cold Waters Voice Crew - Fire Control Officer Cmdr O. Myers - C/O USS Nautilus (SS-168) 114,000 tons sunk - 4 Spec Ops completed V-boat Nutcase - Need supplies? Japanese garrison on a small island in the way? Just give us a call! D4C!

11-11-10, 10:18 AM	#287
polyfiller Weps Join Date: Sep 2005 Posts: 356 Downloads: 40 Uploads: 0	I also found a marked increase in accuracy when you increase the torpedo speed .... however if you do a test with a sub in the general "area" ... starting, say 8000m - 15000m away from the intedned target, I found that the target would set off all it's topredoes as soon as it's launcher was in range - and at 200 knots the range is quite significant .... and they all miss. By the time the target get's within a more reasonable range (less than 5000m) ... it is always out of ammo. I did a whole bunch of work to try and tune accuracy without increase the speed of the ammunition ... what worked best was have 4 tubes firing, each with a slightly different angle of tilt on the horizontal - effectively creating a salvo spread over an angle of around 20 degrees. When 4 fish were launched, at least 1 or 2 hit.... however, the early engeagement issue and therefore out of ammo result still persists ... the range of a gun in SH4.sim file means nothing .... it's the actual ammunition velocity which determines range.... and even at relativel slow speeds, the game thinks it has a long range. I guess another fix is to give the sub a different AI sensor ... but that would prevent it tracking down a target in any way. Basically the way it works now is if the sub detects the target, it fires.

11-12-10, 04:45 AM	#289
Herr_Pete Commodore Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Scotland, UK Posts: 623 Downloads: 102 Uploads: 0	Hi there guys, after a year I have re-installed SH4 but sadly I have misplaced the U-Boat missions cd. Do any of these Modern Submarines work with just 1.4? Pete

11-12-10, 05:03 AM	#291
Herr_Pete Commodore Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Scotland, UK Posts: 623 Downloads: 102 Uploads: 0	I have noticed Los Angeles, Skipjack and Ohio are all available for 1.4. I have downloaded them and extracted them to the MODS folder, activated 1 at a time via GM enabler but in game I haven't noticed them anywhere. Do they replace any of the ww2 subs or should they be stand alone? My SH4 is up to 1.4 and Vanilla otherwise. Pete

11-12-10, 05:05 AM	#292
jhapprich Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Hey pete , never tested the stuff with v1.4, so i can`t tell...

11-12-10, 10:15 AM	#293
Herr_Pete Commodore Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Scotland, UK Posts: 623 Downloads: 102 Uploads: 0	Managed to get every single submarine working. Fantastic mods!! love them. Skipjack however seems to lose its Conning tower when all mods are applied. Not to sure why? is this a known issue? Is the Soviet Alpha class submarine available to?

11-13-10, 06:49 PM	#296
Kromus Lieutenant Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 250 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 0	@jhapprich You are doing some unbelievable work here (with everyone else involed too of course), can`t wait to play with Oscar-II class .

11-13-10, 06:52 PM	#297
jhapprich Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	Work proceeds slowly. The redesign of the surface fleets take a lot of time. haven`t done much about the campaign.no, there is no download available yet. the oscar has been implemented, the triton model is half-finished. an alfa is available, but thanks to hotmanandre i was given a more detailed model which needs some rework, so there will be a different version in the final mod.for some reason the akula doesn`t work any longer, haven`t found the reason yet. the nimitz class carriers are ingame now. any interested modders are free to help.