The all purpose terrorism thread featuring plenty of allah akbar

[mapuc]

A Danish/Syrian Politician wrote this as a debate on a Danish news paper homepage

Have used google-translate and corrected where needed-

Sorry for any "weird" sentence

Author Naser Khader

"Moderate Muslims have a shared responsibility for terror

We Muslims can not absolve ourselves of responsibility for that Islam is in deep crisis and that it is a duty to fight the dark forces

After the terrorist attack in Nice, where a Tunisian man killed at least 84 people and injured many more, I wrote an update on Facebook

"If it is Islam, I will not be a Muslim."

Note the word 'if'. Time of writing the Islamic State claimed responsibility for the attack. The details are not yet known.

The French government has called it terrorism. I do not write with my update that all Muslims are terrorists, or that we are at war with Islam. But as usual it will be read as such by many Muslims and other critics of my person. It is predictable, and that's exactly why Islam is in deep crisis.

My update was written deliberately, and I've said it before. It is not enough anymore to express sympathy with the victims and the bereaved. It is not enough to declare that we must stand together. It is not enough to establish that we are at war against lunatics and terrorists, not against Islam. Updates of the character, I and many other written so many, it has been clichés in a progressively terrorist packed everyday

I'm tired of clichés and platitudes. It is important that we step into character as a civilized society and goes a step further

Responses to my brief update did not fail. There was plenty of support, but also the opposite. Most interesting were the reactions of people with Muslim names, and it went from the total disclaimer - 'it has nothing to do with Islam, "" he is not a Muslim', 'this is a wrong reading of the Koran, "etc.. - For perfidious comments about my person, which includes the usual words like 'whore', 'traitor' and 'infidels

Examples exhibits with sad accuracy why Islam is in deep crisis. And they demonstrate comment for comment that moderate Muslims have a huge responsibility for the European countries continued production of Islamists

Why all this simpleton good understanding of Islamist terrorism? Why is Islam protected whenever committed terror in France, Denmark or Bangladesh? Do we hear an outcry over the defense of Islam, coming by reflex?

But it is convenient not to take a stand and say that it has nothing to do with Islam. It aggravates the only problem. As my colleague Majid Nawaz from Muslim Reform Movement has said in connection with the Nice terror:

"People say already that the Nice terrorist were not believers. Please stop. The good intentions about Muslims only makes the problem worse. It's just as bad as saying that it has "everything" to do with Islam. (...) This "something" to do with Islam. "

When you read my Facebook comment tracks, Islam apparently has to be
spared at any cost. It is almost a motto of some. Therefore, one would rather smear people like me rather than to distance themselves from terrorists. And it refuses to introspect and realize that Islam has some problems that only moderate Muslims can overcome. It must come from ourselves. But when did you last hear the same people call a terrorist for 'whore', 'traitor' or 'infidel'?

The key is the recognition that an internal problem is not the same as saying that all Muslims are terrorists. Unfortunately, terrorists are often Islamists."

The article or his debate was longer, but I thought this was enough

Markus

[Rockstar]

Axe attack in Germany. Authorities have not identified the attacker or motive so of course its not terrorism. Kinda like the MS804 say nothing and hope it goes away.

[Skybird]

Young man from Afghanistan who came here without parents, asylum seeker, should have shouted "Allahu Akhbar" during the attack with axe and knives in a train. He then fled, a SWAT team of the police that was nearby by random chance went after him. When he attacked them too, they shot him.

Damn, now everybody will yell again at us that we have not granted him asylum much earlier.

Three people majorily injured, at least one is fighting for his life.

Once again, its a deed not committed by a Buddhist. Arrogant bastards they are - do they think they are something special or why do they never do their share in things like this ? The world is tired of Buddhists doing nothing but boring us - but even that not to death.

P.S. Not three but four injured.

[Skybird]

The Afghan man was 17 year old, had no parents with him, and lived with a German foster family since two weeks.

Maybe its genetic?

[Oberon]

[Skybird]

One would have assumed your endless relativising has been gloating enough already.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Skybird

One would have assumed your endless relativising has been gloating enough already.

GLOAT:
dwell on one's own success or another's misfortune with smugness or malignant pleasure.

When have I gloated over a terrorist attack?

I take no pleasure from terrorist attacks
I take no pleasure from the backlash against ethnic and religious groups following these attacks
I take no pleasure from coming onto forums and seeing hatred and division spread following these attacks
I take no pleasure from the little jibes or the accusations of being 'PC' because I refuse to tow the party line on Muslims being the problem
I take no pleasure from knowing that the endless cycle of hatred breeding hatred is spreading through the west and doing exactly to us what the terrorists want it to
I take no pleasure from knowing that there probably will be a war against Islam in the future, and that it will be our downfall, because we played the game exactly how the terrorists wanted us to

So tell me, why do I gloat?

[Rockstar]

Me thinks someone might be taking this a bit too personnal. Please keep in mind this isnt about you.

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Me thinks someone might be taking this a bit too personnal. Please keep in mind this isnt about you.

Perhaps, perhaps, but sometimes it's hard to tell.

Anyway, I should stop posting, I keep telling myself not to let myself get dragged in but...

Originally Posted by Oberon

Anyway, I should stop posting, I keep telling myself not to let myself get dragged in but...

You said 2-3 times by now you'd stay out of this.
Not sure what pulls you back in if you never have anything of value to say anyways and rather just bitch about all the evil Islamophobes and their stupid facts, while not bringing anything of value to the table yourself.

This is not how it works!

[Oberon]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

You said 2-3 times by now you'd stay out of this.
Not sure what pulls you back in if you never have anything of value to say anyways and rather just bitch about all the evil Islamophobes and their stupid facts, while not bringing anything of value to the table yourself.

This is not how it works!

k

[Rockstar]

let's just pretend people like Angela Merkel know what they're doing and all critics of the current program are right wing smug gloating xenophobes. It's worked out so well.

[Skybird]

The Afghan had an IS flag.

[Catfish]

Terrorism is terrorism. Of course the likelihood of assults rise with the immigration of foreigners of countries suffering from war and terrorism, but you cannot fight terrorism with war.

War can only been waged against countries, now what did the invasion of Afghanistan and Iraq exactly do? You invade a country, then you occupy it, you destroy the economy, then you call back the troops or not (it does not really matter), but the terrorists are still there or moved to other countries.
There can be no open war against terrorism, only secret service work and clandestine action beforehand.

The only other weapon against terrorism is taking away the soil t. grows on. This means giving certain countries a chance, a working economy, education, money, goods to buy, better living conditions, and a chance for their children. This will take decades of course, but it is the only chance in the long run.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Catfish

The only other weapon against terrorism is taking away the soil t. grows on. This means giving certain countries a chance, a working economy, education, money, goods to buy, better living conditions, and a chance for their children. This will take decades of course, but it is the only chance in the long run.

That sounds awfully a lot like something that needs 5 times the attention span of an average voter.