Hamas launches war on Israel

[Jimbuna]

Policewoman killed and 10 injured in shooting in Israel

A policewoman has been killed and 10 others injured in a shooting in the southern Israeli city of Beersheba, local authorities said.

The gunman was shot dead at the scene after what police described as a "suspected terror attack" at the city's central bus station.

The victim has been named as Shira Chaya Suslik, 19, a sergeant from Israel's border police.

Israel's ambulance service said medics are treating ten people for injuries, some of whom suffered gunshot wounds.

One of the injured is in a “moderate to serious” condition and four others are in a “moderate condition”, the ambulance service said.

They have been taken to the nearby Soroka Hospital.

Police said a preliminary investigation showed the gunman was "eliminated in a few seconds by the security forces" who were there.

Shortly after the attack, Israel’s Transport Minister Miri Regev called for the families of “terrorists” to be deported from the country.

“The time has come for a deterrent punishment to prevent the attacks on Israeli territory,” she wrote on X.

Israeli opposition leader Yair Lapid described the attack as "severe and despicable", writing on X "we must act hard against terrorism".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cwyv16lw1leo

[mapuc]

Today mark the 1 year since Palestinians entered Israel and killed and kidnapped around 1200 people.

Now here 1 year after I have to ask what have:

The Palestinians achieved by this ?

The Israelis achieved by this

Markus

[Raf1394]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Today mark the 1 year since Palestinians entered Israel and killed and kidnapped around 1200 people.

Now here 1 year after I have to ask what have:

The Palestinians achieved by this ?

The Israelis achieved by this

Markus

They both lost. The only thing that is kinda ''achieved'' is the world calling for a own state for Palestine. A lot of countries started to recognize Palestine as country.

You can maybe say that Israel has weakened Hamas, and Hezbollah... But this goes for years. They always remain intact...

Israeli citizens are also getting more against there government led by ''bibi''.

[Skybird]

This is not over yet.


When it is, the Middle East will be a different one. Hezbollah'S hijacking of the Lebanese state could suffer irreparable from all this, which is good both for Israel and Lebanon, Hezbollah has assassinated many Lebanese politicians opposing it and standing in their way. Israel will not allow any foul compromise that leaves Hamas in control of Gaza strip again, Israel has learned its lesson on this day one year ago. Germany loves to say "never again", and then does not care or even does the opposite. But Israel means it. Due to existential need.


At the end could even be a great war with Iran. But if you ever were serious about preventing Iranian nuclear wepaons then you knew since two decades that it would inevitably come to this day of final decisons. Me, I never accepted the outlook of Iranian nuclear weapons. So may be done whatever needs to be done to prevent it. Preventing it is the only decisive and valid objective there is. And what the West has tried and done in the past one and a half decade or longer - HAS NOT WORKED. Iran used the time it was given to ever creep closer to the point at which they could not be stopped anymore, and the international nuclear energy commission was shown many times to be deeply corrupted in favour of the Islamic interest groups and desires by Iran. Thay cannot be trusted anymore.



Who said this century would become easier than the last one... I think we are closer to nuclear exchanges than during the cold war. In the past, it could have happened due to mishaps and accidents. These days it could happen - by intention and religous furor. Bad accidents are already bad. But bad intentions are much more fearsome.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

This is not over yet.


When it is, the Middle East will be a different one. Hezbollah'S hijacking of the Lebanese state could suffer irreparable from all this, which is good both for Israel and Lebanon, Hezbollah has assassinated many Lebanese politicians opposing it and standing in their way. Israel will not allow any foul compromise that leaves Hamas in control of Gaza strip again, Israel has learned its lesson on this day one year ago. Germany loves to say "never again", and then does not care or even does the opposite. But Israel means it. Due to existential need.


At the end could even be a great war with Iran. But if you ever were serious about preventing Iranian nuclear wepaons then you knew since two decades that it would inevitably come to this day of final decisons. Me, I never accepted the outlook of Iranian nuclear weapons. So may be done whatever needs to be done to prevent it. Preventing it is the only decisive and valid objective there is. And what the West has tried and done in the past one and a half decade or longer - HAS NOT WORKED. Iran used the time it was given to ever creep closer to the point at which they could not be stopped anymore, and the international nuclear energy commission was shown many times to be deeply corrupted in favour of the Islamic interest groups and desires by Iran. Thay cannot be trusted anymore.



Who said this century would become easier than the last one... I think we are closer to nuclear exchanges than during the cold war. In the past, it could have happened due to mishaps and accidents. These days it could happen - by intention and religous furor. Bad accidents are already bad. But bad intentions are much more fearsome.

Pretty much agree there

[Shadowblade]

Originally Posted by mapuc

The Palestinians achieved by this ?
Markus

- war with Israel
- Gaza destruction
- media attention
- many pro-Palestinian demonstrations
- more money from EU <facepalm>

Originally Posted by mapuc

The Israelis achieved by this

- sent message to anyone who wants to attack Israel
- killed Hamas fighters
- destroyed Hamas tunnels
- assassinated Hamas leader

[Jimbuna]

A year on from Hamas's 7 October attacks, US President Joe Biden says "far too many civilians have suffered far too much during this year of conflict"

Biden says he will "not stop working to achieve a ceasefire deal in Gaza", as Israel, Hamas, and Hezbollah all launch fresh assaults

People across Israel and the world are remembering last year's 7 October attacks, in which Hamas killed about 1,200 people and took 251 hostage

Since 7 October, nearly 42,000 people have been killed during Israel's campaign in Gaza, according to the Hamas-run health ministry

From Lebanon: Smoke rises from deserted streets in Beirut, with the constant buzz of Israeli drones overhead.

[Raf1394]

I believe its gonna stay a never ending story.
If you keep preventing the Palestinians having a sovereign country. There will always be this tension.

They are fighting each other for more then half a century. And people still believe this is the way they need to continue?
A two state solution is the only solution after things cool down.

Most arab countries agree on normalizing ties with Israël if the Palestinians are given there own land. But in reality I see arab countries hating Israël more. And illegal sentlements growing in the West bank

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Raf1394

I believe its gonna stay a never ending story.
If you keep preventing the Palestinians having a sovereign country. There will always be this tension.

They are fighting each other for more then half a century. And people still believe this is the way they need to continue?
A two state solution is the only solution after things cool down.

Most arab countries agree on normalizing ties with Israël if the Palestinians are given there own land. But in reality I see arab countries hating Israël more. And illegal sentlements growing in the West bank

Are the Palestinians mature enough to have their own state ?
They have to stop firing mortars, missiles into Israel if they get a state of their own.
Will they be able to create their own fortune ? And not have to rely on help from outside.

Israel on the other hand, has to stop offend/attacking the Palestinians.

Giving Palestine their own state would make thing easier for the Israelis-Why !? As it is now Gaza is nothing but an enklave a part of Israel.
When they are a country and they attack Israel-Israel have every right to eliminate these threats.

Markus

[Shadowblade]

Originally Posted by Raf1394

I believe its gonna stay a never ending story.
If you keep preventing the Palestinians having a sovereign country. There will always be this tension.

They are fighting each other for more then half a century. And people still believe this is the way they need to continue?

true, they will be killing each other as long as they will live close together.

[Jimbuna]

Israel marks year since Hamas attack as fighting rages on multiple fronts

Israel has held ceremonies to remember the victims of the mass killings and abductions carried out by Hamas on 7 October 2023, against a backdrop of continuing fighting in the Gaza Strip and Lebanon.

A year on from the attack - that saw some 1,200 people killed and 251 taken hostage - Israeli PM Benjamin Netanyahu vowed to stop such an assault happening again, saying Israel's armed forces were “changing the security reality” of the region.

Since 7 October, nearly 42,000 people have been killed during Israel's offensive in Gaza, according to the Hamas-run health ministry.

As the day of commemorations unfolded, Israel said it had intercepted more than 100 rockets fired by Hezbollah in Lebanon as well as projectiles launched by Yemen's Houthis and from Hamas in Gaza.

Overnight, rocket warning sirens continued to sound in northern Israel, and several more town were declared closed military zones, as Israel looks set to expand its ground offensive across the Lebanon border.

On Tuesday morning, the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) said Suhail Hussein Husseini, Hezbollah's logistics commander, was killed in a "precise, intelligence-based strike in the area of Beirut" on Monday. Hezbollah has not commented.

Husseini was responsible for the budgeting and logistical management of Hezbollah's most sensitive projects, including its war plans and other special operations, the IDF said.

The US has indicated that it supports targeting Hezbollah in Lebanon - but fears that what has been described as a limited operation by Israel could quickly turn into a larger-scale, prolonged conflict.

And as American and Israeli officials discuss Israel’s response to last week’s unprecedented Iranian missile attack, CIA director William Burns has warned that there is a "very real danger of a further regional escalation".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c4g57q20l1vo

[Skybird]

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cly3x1w0595o


Israel's prime minister has made a direct appeal to urge the Lebanese people to throw out Hezbollah and avoid "destruction and suffering like we see in Gaza".
Benjamin Netanyahu's appeal on Tuesday came as Israel expanded its ground invasion against Hezbollah by sending thousands more troops into a new zone in south-west Lebanon.
During a video address directed at the people of Lebanon, Netanyahu said: "You have an opportunity to save Lebanon before it falls into the abyss of a long war that will lead to destruction and suffering like we see in Gaza.
"I say to you, the people of Lebanon: Free your country from Hezbollah so that this war can end."

[Skybird]

About "Bibismarck".



https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/...rime-minister/

[Jimbuna]

Heavy fighting in Gaza's Jabalia as Israel conducts new ground operation

Residents say there has been heavy fighting in Jabalia in northern Gaza, where Israeli tanks and troops are conducting a new ground operation.

The Israeli military said it had killed 20 “terrorists” there over the past day, and that one of its soldiers had also been killed in the north.

Hamas said its fighters had targeted Israeli forces in Jabalia and its refugee camp, while the Hamas-run civil defence agency said Israeli strikes had killed 19 people.

Civilians in Jabalia and nearby Beit Hanoun and Beit Lahia have been told to evacuate south by the military, which said on Sunday that intelligence indicated Hamas was trying to “rebuild its operational capabilities” in the region.

It warned that the operation would involve “systematic strikes and the radical destruction of terrorist structures”.

Gaza’s Hamas-run health ministry said on Tuesday evening that Israeli forces were besieging the Kamal Adwan hospital in Beit Lahia and that it would run out of fuel within hours.

It also said patients and medical personnel had been asked to evacuate the hospital, as well as the nearby Indonesian and al-Awda hospitals.

Israeli forces launched a campaign in Gaza to destroy Hamas in response to the group's unprecedented attack on southern Israel on 7 October 2023, in which about 1,200 people were killed and 251 others were taken as hostages.

More than 41,960 people have been killed in Gaza since then, according to the territory's health ministry

This is the third time Israeli forces have gone into Jabalia and its refugee camp over the past year, with the last operation in May displacing tens of thousands of people, killing hundreds and causing widespread destruction.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c30l9r3medzo

[Jimbuna]

Israeli forces fire at UN peacekeeper positions in south Lebanon, peacekeepers say

BEIRUT/JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israeli forces fired on two positions used by U.N. peacekeepers in Lebanon on Thursday and at a third one on Wednesday, the U.N. force said, as Israel warned Lebanese civilians not to return to homes in the south and pressed on with its assault on Hezbollah.

The UNIFIL force said two of its peacekeepers were injured in one of the incidents, when an Israeli tank fired at a watchtower at the force's main headquarters in Naqoura, hitting the tower and causing them to fall. There were no casualties in the other two incidents, a U.N. source said.

"Any deliberate attack on peacekeepers is a grave violation of international humanitarian law," UNIFIL said in a statement, adding that it was following up with the Israeli military.

There was no immediate comment from the Israeli military, which is waging a widening offensive in Lebanon against the heavily armed, Iran-backed Hezbollah movement.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...57de3d16&ei=64