Chess Match: Shady Bill vs. Skybird - Page 9

mapuc · 10-13-22, 01:16 PM

I feel like I have to give a better explanation on my idea I mentioned before.

First I was thinking on having 4-5 threads with title like:
(following is only examples)
Chess Match: mapuc Vs Skybird/Shady Bill
Chess Match: Alias Vs Skybird/Shady Bill
a.s.o up to 4 of 5 chess matces.

Now I don't think Neal would be happy we use all this bandwidth on this forum, so I came up with the next idea 4-5 members gather together and discuss via PB on their first/next move against 1 player.

It's only a crazy idea so we leave it there.

Markus

Aktungbby · 10-13-22, 01:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shady Bill

Nah, I see things through till the end. Also, quitting when behind

is unbecoming in my opinion. It devalues the efforts of your opponent.

It will be over in a couple of moves. Properly over....

BEHIND??!! I'm sending help!

https://interestingengineering.com/c...-cheating-tool

Shady Bill · 10-13-22, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

BEHIND??!! I'm sending help!

Coach Niemann will love this!!! and much easier than doping. He keeps bringing up doping to me!! I tell him chess-enhancing drugs are not the answer.

Shady Bill · 10-13-22, 01:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

It's only a crazy idea so we leave it there
Markus

A yearly autumn subsim chess tournament

Shady Bill · 10-13-22, 01:50 PM

21. 0-0

just reposting in case Skybird didn't see it.

Skybird · 10-13-22, 01:50 PM

I just have seen it. But this kind of play is where I take more time. And then there is real life...

We had kind of a tournament in 2008 and/or 2009. And where interest is, people can start their chess matches, right?

This match here can still drag on. You don't often get such asymmetrical material. I'm going to meditate.

Shady Bill · 10-13-22, 01:53 PM

Take your time Skybird. I will be gone for the next 4 hours or so. I know it's getting late in GMT+1.

Skybird · 10-13-22, 03:20 PM

And now the chessbase GUI that I use for logging the match and creating the diagrams has shot itself down. Some graphics driver thing, the error message says, I need to reinstall the whole thing tomorrow again. Thats the damn thing with chessbase software and why I stopped buying their later interfaces: they always were a bit buggy and rarely did they ever get patched out in full. Its not the gfx driver, that much is certain, its the CB GUI giving a bogus error. Not the first time something like this happens, has happened occasionally since ever over the past 20 years. Anyway:

This damn wide open empty void the board has turned into is not easy to calculate many moves in advance, and I cannot do it for sure. But one needs to decide on the approach one takes from here on, there is some choice in different ways: focussing on this or the other wing, focussing on pushing a pawn or first simplifying things even further by enforcing material exchange, let the bishop run on empty diagonals or blocking the diagonals, and so forth. This match can drag on for some more time.

I opted for this :

Let' negotiate.

And so:

your move 21. O-O / my move 21. ... / Ra8-c8

Shady Bill · 10-13-22, 11:59 PM

I keep staring at this Ne5/Rxf7 combo, while restricting your king's movement with my Ba1, but that leads nowhere. I am now just grabbing at pawns, because all you have to do to finish me off is start moving pawns forward.

Tomorrow I think we will see the end to this beautiful war.

Good night!

Aktungbby · 10-14-22, 02:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

Frankly I'd topple my white king now!

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shady Bill

I am now just grabbing at pawns, because all you have to do to finish me off is start moving pawns forward.

Tomorrow I think we will see the end to this beautiful war.

Good night!

Skybird · 10-14-22, 04:11 AM

Yes, of course the chances are all with me, but even with a material advantage of two pawn-values plus positional advantage I dislike this extremely asymmetrical distribution of material, I am not used to such an extreme as to be seen here.

Common sense says: rooks behind the pawns and then let them march, but I feel White still has too much officers so that he can simply put them in the pawns' way and block them. I feel i should do somehtign about this first - before hiding the rooks behind the pawns. He has more officers than I have, so theoretically he can mount more pressure on one of my pawns than I have pieces to defend it with. A material exchange to my disadvantage might be accpetbale, however - if it buys me the tempi one other pawn needs to race successfully to the first line.

I know the basics of endgames, of course - but I never was good in implementing them. Most of my games that I lost 30, 40 years ago - i lost in endgame.

I often prioritized the wrong things over others...

Maybe I played too much with computers back then. Its funny that I copy exactly the strengths and weaknesses of table chess computers from that era. Back then, they were good at calculating tactical chaos within their calculation horizon - and were blind to anythign just one half move beyond that. Since their horizon was short, they sucked in endgames, and terribly so, since endgames envision long-term motives and positional structures that pay off just 10, 20 moves later. Today'S software is not like that anymore - it rewrites theory in all phases of the match and has calculated all possible endgames with - how many now? 6 pieces? 7? Or already more? They just call up the best move from a database, do not calculate it anymore. "Playing" them when you are in tablebase range makes no sense anymore, just look up the result, and cut it short this way. You cna win nothing if playing on, you can only lose some...

In general, play software of today with a handicap, or with an autoadjusting difficulty level, some software allows that. I mean, a fast PC races the move coiutne rupwards that you think you have a bad dream. One two, three , and the thing is already at move 20, and short time later at 30. I use auto-adaptation in Shredder Android, and have the difficulty rating the software adjusts after each match fluctuating between 1900 and 1950 Elo. - That means not I play that Elo, since I absolutely doubt that Shredder can calculate a correct ELO rating. That is a regulated and strictly controlled normatizing process (could you say it this way?) , in real life. I would say, however, that my CC rating would be higher than my table chess rating. But that is probably the case with everybody.

I have this strange feeling that Aktung is the shark in the pool here...

Skybird · 10-14-22, 06:58 AM

I just noticed that you already have moved. I overlooked it, since you put the move in the headline.

In Arnie's eternal words: "I'll be back."

Shady Bill · 10-14-22, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

I just noticed that you already have moved. I overlooked it, since you put the move in the headline.
In Arnie's eternal words: "I'll be back."

Oh my apologies, I didn't make my move very clear.

22.Na5

I would enjoy watching you and Aktung slug it out when you both have time for a match. I think that could be very enjoyable, and well, if we have a 2nd match, we have a tournament going really. And that is wonderful.
Nice thing about CC is it is easier on real life than club chess hours.

Maybe Markus would also like to try a match?

“The beauty of chess is it can be whatever you want it to be. It transcends language, age, race, religion, politics, gender and socioeconomic background. Whatever your circumstances, anyone can enjoy a good fight to the death over the chess board.” – GM Simon Williams

Skybird · 10-14-22, 07:53 AM

We count that versus my two notation flaws.

Tricky position. Do I ride elegantly towards victory, or will I win, but before I do, I'll bolt ridiculously over the muddy field like a rumble cart, and make it more difficult than necessary? I am confident to win, but elegance in endgames, and me - thats a natural contradiction.

Okay, make it Ne6.

your move 22. Nc4-a5 my move 22. ... / Nc7-e6

I pray I did not count wrong, else I have just given away a pawn for nothing...

Shady Bill · 10-14-22, 08:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skybird

your move 22. Nc4-a5 my move 22. ... / Nc7-e6

23.Nxb7

I love the look of this position. A mere dozen moves ago I was bragging about my fortress and its opening drawbridge.
Now that fortress lies in complete ruin and the battlefield is covered in white's blood. Your two large cannons are stacked together aimed at the very heart of my crumbled empire.

10-13-22, 01:16 PM	#121
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,537 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	I feel like I have to give a better explanation on my idea I mentioned before. First I was thinking on having 4-5 threads with title like: (following is only examples) Chess Match: mapuc Vs Skybird/Shady Bill Chess Match: Alias Vs Skybird/Shady Bill a.s.o up to 4 of 5 chess matces. Now I don't think Neal would be happy we use all this bandwidth on this forum, so I came up with the next idea 4-5 members gather together and discuss via PB on their first/next move against 1 player. It's only a crazy idea so we leave it there. Markus __________________ My little lovely female cat

10-13-22, 01:50 PM	#125
Shady Bill Silent but not deadly Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: Somewhere north of AN34 Posts: 171 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	21. 0-0 21. 0-0 just reposting in case Skybird didn't see it.

10-13-22, 01:50 PM	#126
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,630 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I just have seen it. But this kind of play is where I take more time. And then there is real life... We had kind of a tournament in 2008 and/or 2009. And where interest is, people can start their chess matches, right? This match here can still drag on. You don't often get such asymmetrical material. I'm going to meditate. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-13-22, 03:20 PM	#128
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,630 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	And now the chessbase GUI that I use for logging the match and creating the diagrams has shot itself down. Some graphics driver thing, the error message says, I need to reinstall the whole thing tomorrow again. Thats the damn thing with chessbase software and why I stopped buying their later interfaces: they always were a bit buggy and rarely did they ever get patched out in full. Its not the gfx driver, that much is certain, its the CB GUI giving a bogus error. Not the first time something like this happens, has happened occasionally since ever over the past 20 years. Anyway: This damn wide open empty void the board has turned into is not easy to calculate many moves in advance, and I cannot do it for sure. But one needs to decide on the approach one takes from here on, there is some choice in different ways: focussing on this or the other wing, focussing on pushing a pawn or first simplifying things even further by enforcing material exchange, let the bishop run on empty diagonals or blocking the diagonals, and so forth. This match can drag on for some more time. I opted for this : Let' negotiate. And so: your move 21. O-O / my move 21. ... / Ra8-c8 __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-13-22, 11:59 PM	#129
Shady Bill Silent but not deadly Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: Somewhere north of AN34 Posts: 171 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	22.Na5 I keep staring at this Ne5/Rxf7 combo, while restricting your king's movement with my Ba1, but that leads nowhere. I am now just grabbing at pawns, because all you have to do to finish me off is start moving pawns forward. Tomorrow I think we will see the end to this beautiful war. Good night!

10-13-22, 01:53 PM	#127
Shady Bill Silent but not deadly Join Date: Oct 2022 Location: Somewhere north of AN34 Posts: 171 Downloads: 16 Uploads: 0	Take your time Skybird. I will be gone for the next 4 hours or so. I know it's getting late in GMT+1.

10-14-22, 04:11 AM	#131
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,630 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Yes, of course the chances are all with me, but even with a material advantage of two pawn-values plus positional advantage I dislike this extremely asymmetrical distribution of material, I am not used to such an extreme as to be seen here. Common sense says: rooks behind the pawns and then let them march, but I feel White still has too much officers so that he can simply put them in the pawns' way and block them. I feel i should do somehtign about this first - before hiding the rooks behind the pawns. He has more officers than I have, so theoretically he can mount more pressure on one of my pawns than I have pieces to defend it with. A material exchange to my disadvantage might be accpetbale, however - if it buys me the tempi one other pawn needs to race successfully to the first line. I know the basics of endgames, of course - but I never was good in implementing them. Most of my games that I lost 30, 40 years ago - i lost in endgame. I often prioritized the wrong things over others... Maybe I played too much with computers back then. Its funny that I copy exactly the strengths and weaknesses of table chess computers from that era. Back then, they were good at calculating tactical chaos within their calculation horizon - and were blind to anythign just one half move beyond that. Since their horizon was short, they sucked in endgames, and terribly so, since endgames envision long-term motives and positional structures that pay off just 10, 20 moves later. Today'S software is not like that anymore - it rewrites theory in all phases of the match and has calculated all possible endgames with - how many now? 6 pieces? 7? Or already more? They just call up the best move from a database, do not calculate it anymore. "Playing" them when you are in tablebase range makes no sense anymore, just look up the result, and cut it short this way. You cna win nothing if playing on, you can only lose some... In general, play software of today with a handicap, or with an autoadjusting difficulty level, some software allows that. I mean, a fast PC races the move coiutne rupwards that you think you have a bad dream. One two, three , and the thing is already at move 20, and short time later at 30. I use auto-adaptation in Shredder Android, and have the difficulty rating the software adjusts after each match fluctuating between 1900 and 1950 Elo. - That means not I play that Elo, since I absolutely doubt that Shredder can calculate a correct ELO rating. That is a regulated and strictly controlled normatizing process (could you say it this way?) , in real life. I would say, however, that my CC rating would be higher than my table chess rating. But that is probably the case with everybody. I have this strange feeling that Aktung is the shark in the pool here... __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-14-22, 06:58 AM	#132
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,630 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	I just noticed that you already have moved. I overlooked it, since you put the move in the headline. In Arnie's eternal words: "I'll be back." __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

10-14-22, 07:53 AM	#134
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,630 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	We count that versus my two notation flaws. Tricky position. Do I ride elegantly towards victory, or will I win, but before I do, I'll bolt ridiculously over the muddy field like a rumble cart, and make it more difficult than necessary? I am confident to win, but elegance in endgames, and me - thats a natural contradiction. Okay, make it Ne6. your move 22. Nc4-a5 my move 22. ... / Nc7-e6 I pray I did not count wrong, else I have just given away a pawn for nothing... __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.