UC3 Nautilus sunk - Peter Madsen charged with murder of journalist Kim Wall - Page 9

Rockin Robbins · 08-23-17, 01:09 PM

Unfortunately, given the state of judicial systems world-wide, he'll probably be found guilty of negligent manslaughter and sentenced to 30 days WITHOUT TELEVISION, but released for time served. He will write a book, sign on for a movie and retire a rich man.

It would take a skilled butcher a half hour to do the work he did. He probably took two hours. That's inconsistent with "panic" or innocent motives. His lies since he was plucked out of the water double the probability of cold-blooded murder, not an accident. Watch his demeanor in the first interview: controlled, calm, calculating, assured. Murderer of the slimiest variety, I'm afraid.

Could you work for a couple of grisly hours hacking a body to pieces and with complete calm assurance say what he said? I couldn't do the deed, much less cover up for it in such a cold-blooded manner. He doesn't deserve to live, but he will.

Rip · 08-23-17, 01:19 PM

For me if it is obvious you have done numerous things to destroy evidence then you have made your own bed. I'm going to assume that evidence was very damning to you.

If any of that evidence would have supported claiming some type of accident you have no one but yourself to blame for your predicament. No matter rules of the jury or whatever I couldn't look myself in the mirror if I let such a man ever walk free again. Just couldn't do it.

Rockin Robbins · 08-23-17, 01:27 PM

The guilty flee when no one pursues. --Isaac Asimov

mapuc · 08-23-17, 02:38 PM

Like most of us,especially those of us who have met him during these fantastic days in Sept. 2009 I think we feel different about this case. I feel emptiness. I also have the same thoughts as Carotio. It was great to meet him, he looked like a real good guy. It was an inspiration.

There is absolutely no excuse what he have done to Kim Wall.

If I was the prosecutor or the Danish police I would after the DNA-Match Require a complete psychological profile on Peter M.

About this he have panicked and buried her at sea, or she was hit by the propellers after she have been dropped in the water.

There was damage to the torso, in such a way that the person who did it would prevent gases in the body from causing the body to float to the surface and there was a mark for metal. In such a way that the perpetrator would have prevented the body from reaching the surface - And I doubt that a propeller may apply so precisely(from Todays press conference at the Police's headquarter in Copenhagen).

Edit: Forgot something while writing my comments: Kim Wall's arms and legs have been deliberately removed
Markus

Te Kaha · 08-23-17, 04:37 PM

I'm horrified by this crime, I am sad, and I am angry. Like many others who are posting here in this thread I was there in 2009 and met Peter Madsen and had the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to hitch a ride in a submarine.

Now my memory of this event changed - aside from meeting other fellow submarine enthusiasts, which will always remain a positive memory, I've been on a vessel which later became a crime-scene, and I've met a man who later became a ******** criminal.

And I feel sad for Kim Wall and her relatives and friends. Her young life has been senselessly taken away by another human being.

I trust the Danish justice system to issue the sentence this man deserves.

mapuc · 08-23-17, 05:22 PM

Another thing which you may not have heard about-It have been mentioned on Danish and Swedish news program.

Copied from Swedish teletext. and I have used google translate.

"
Danish police looks at unresolved murder cases
The investigation by the Swedish journalist Kim Wall's fate has led the police in Denmark to take a new look at old unresolved murder cases.
-Actually, we have a case from
1986 when a Japanese tourist's torso
Found in the port of Copenhagen,
Told Jens Möller Jensen, preliminary investigation
Leaders in the submarine case, at a conference
on Wednesday.
In the fall of 1986, equals were found by a woman whose identity could be clarified only eight months later, like a 22-year-old Japanese woman. The murder of the Japanese woman remained unclear "

Markus

mapuc · 08-23-17, 05:57 PM

Another important thing about how things work in Denmark when it comes to solve crimes

They have found the torso of Kim Wall, they have found blood in Peters Submarine-That ain't enough. The police have to without any doubt prove it was Peter who has killed her either on purpose or as he claim by accident and the police has to prove that it was Peter who cut her into pieces.

Markus

u crank · 08-23-17, 06:32 PM

What a tragedy. My heart goes out to this womans family. It's hard to believe.

Sad indeed.

Platapus · 08-23-17, 07:06 PM

While he is, of course, presumed innocent until proven guilty, the facts being reported do not look so good for him.

Innocent people don't change their story drastically and certainly don't change it twice like that.

The evidence seems to contradict his story significantly with little room for interpretation. One does not bury someone at sea by removing their limbs and venting the body.

My question is motive. Was this a spur of the moment rape/homicide? Did this guy know the reporter before this trip? Unless this guy is especially stupid it does not look like a premeditated murder.

Strange story but it looks like he is pretty guilty.

Onkel Neal · 08-23-17, 07:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rockstar

Assuming the worst, there could have been a bloody mess inside the boat which may be a reason he opened it up to the sea.

You called it.

FlatRook · 08-23-17, 07:33 PM

This is one crazy story. I have even more questions now that they have found the chopped up body. Such a sad event for the family of the lost.

Onkel Neal · 08-24-17, 08:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

Another important thing about how things work in Denmark when it comes to solve crimes

They have found the torso of Kim Wall, they have found blood in Peters Submarine-That ain't enough. The police have to without any doubt prove it was Peter who has killed her either on purpose or as he claim by accident and the police has to prove that it was Peter who cut her into pieces.

Markus

I don't have any doubt. Seriously, Peter did this.

Jimbuna · 08-24-17, 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mapuc

Another important thing about how things work in Denmark when it comes to solve crimes

They have found the torso of Kim Wall, they have found blood in Peters Submarine-That ain't enough. The police have to without any doubt prove it was Peter who has killed her either on purpose or as he claim by accident and the police has to prove that it was Peter who cut her into pieces.

Markus

I'm obviously no expert of the judicial system in Denmark but here in the UK there would already be sufficient evidence both material and circumstantial for the CPS (Crown Prosecution Service) to go to trial with.

You state 'without any doubt'. Surely that should be 'beyond reasonable doubt', otherwise there would need to be a first hand witness present or video evidence or something of that nature during the actual event before a conviction could be obtained?

AVGWarhawk · 08-24-17, 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Onkel Neal

I don't have any doubt. Seriously, Peter did this.

Nor do I. None of what has transpired or proposed to have transpired makes any sense.

AVGWarhawk · 08-24-17, 08:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I'm obviously no expert of the judicial system in Denmark but here in the UK there would already be sufficient evidence both material and circumstantial for the CPS (Crown Prosecution Service) to go to trial with.

You state 'without any doubt'. Surely that should be 'beyond reasonable doubt', otherwise there would need to be a first hand witness present or video evidence or something of that nature during the actual event before a conviction could be obtained?

Without a good solid explanation would any jury not see this was a crime and not a simple accident. Accidents are reported and explained. The coverer up started from the first questioning. The story has changed several times. The most damning is a dismembered body.

Sadly, parents are not to have to see their children taken from them no matter the circumstances. My heart goes out to her family.

08-23-17, 01:09 PM	#121
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	Unfortunately, given the state of judicial systems world-wide, he'll probably be found guilty of negligent manslaughter and sentenced to 30 days WITHOUT TELEVISION, but released for time served. He will write a book, sign on for a movie and retire a rich man. It would take a skilled butcher a half hour to do the work he did. He probably took two hours. That's inconsistent with "panic" or innocent motives. His lies since he was plucked out of the water double the probability of cold-blooded murder, not an accident. Watch his demeanor in the first interview: controlled, calm, calculating, assured. Murderer of the slimiest variety, I'm afraid. Could you work for a couple of grisly hours hacking a body to pieces and with complete calm assurance say what he said? I couldn't do the deed, much less cover up for it in such a cold-blooded manner. He doesn't deserve to live, but he will. __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

08-23-17, 01:27 PM	#123
Rockin Robbins Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: DeLand, FL Posts: 8,900 Downloads: 135 Uploads: 52	The guilty flee when no one pursues. --Isaac Asimov __________________ Sub Skipper's Bag of Tricks, Slightly Subnuclear Mk 14 & Cutie, Slightly Subnuclear Deck Gun, EZPlot 2.0, TMOPlot, TMOKeys, SH4CMS

08-23-17, 02:38 PM	#124
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,535 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Like most of us,especially those of us who have met him during these fantastic days in Sept. 2009 I think we feel different about this case. I feel emptiness. I also have the same thoughts as Carotio. It was great to meet him, he looked like a real good guy. It was an inspiration. There is absolutely no excuse what he have done to Kim Wall. If I was the prosecutor or the Danish police I would after the DNA-Match Require a complete psychological profile on Peter M. About this he have panicked and buried her at sea, or she was hit by the propellers after she have been dropped in the water. There was damage to the torso, in such a way that the person who did it would prevent gases in the body from causing the body to float to the surface and there was a mark for metal. In such a way that the perpetrator would have prevented the body from reaching the surface - And I doubt that a propeller may apply so precisely(from Todays press conference at the Police's headquarter in Copenhagen). Edit: Forgot something while writing my comments: Kim Wall's arms and legs have been deliberately removed Markus Last edited by mapuc; 08-23-17 at 03:34 PM.

08-23-17, 04:37 PM	#125
Te Kaha Navy Dude Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Austrian landlubber Posts: 178 Downloads: 75 Uploads: 2	I'm horrified by this crime, I am sad, and I am angry. Like many others who are posting here in this thread I was there in 2009 and met Peter Madsen and had the once-in-a-lifetime opportunity to hitch a ride in a submarine. Now my memory of this event changed - aside from meeting other fellow submarine enthusiasts, which will always remain a positive memory, I've been on a vessel which later became a crime-scene, and I've met a man who later became a ******** criminal. And I feel sad for Kim Wall and her relatives and friends. Her young life has been senselessly taken away by another human being. I trust the Danish justice system to issue the sentence this man deserves. __________________ "E hoa, ka whawhai tonu mātou, Āke! Āke! Āke!" (Friend, we will fight on forever, forever and forever!) Rewi Maniapoto's reply to British calls for surrender, Orakau, 1864

08-23-17, 06:32 PM	#128
u crank Old enough to know better Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Prince Edward Island Posts: 11,744 Downloads: 136 Uploads: 0	What a tragedy. My heart goes out to this womans family. It's hard to believe. Sad indeed. __________________ “Two possibilities exist: either we are alone in the Universe or we are not. Both are equally terrifying.” ― Arthur C. Clarke

08-23-17, 01:19 PM	#122
Rip Commodore Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Right behind you! Posts: 643 Downloads: 39 Uploads: 0	For me if it is obvious you have done numerous things to destroy evidence then you have made your own bed. I'm going to assume that evidence was very damning to you. If any of that evidence would have supported claiming some type of accident you have no one but yourself to blame for your predicament. No matter rules of the jury or whatever I couldn't look myself in the mirror if I let such a man ever walk free again. Just couldn't do it.

08-23-17, 05:22 PM	#126
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,535 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Another thing which you may not have heard about-It have been mentioned on Danish and Swedish news program. Copied from Swedish teletext. and I have used google translate. " Danish police looks at unresolved murder cases The investigation by the Swedish journalist Kim Wall's fate has led the police in Denmark to take a new look at old unresolved murder cases. -Actually, we have a case from 1986 when a Japanese tourist's torso Found in the port of Copenhagen, Told Jens Möller Jensen, preliminary investigation Leaders in the submarine case, at a conference on Wednesday. In the fall of 1986, equals were found by a woman whose identity could be clarified only eight months later, like a 22-year-old Japanese woman. The murder of the Japanese woman remained unclear " Markus

08-23-17, 05:57 PM	#127
mapuc CINC Pacific Fleet Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Denmark Posts: 20,535 Downloads: 37 Uploads: 0	Another important thing about how things work in Denmark when it comes to solve crimes They have found the torso of Kim Wall, they have found blood in Peters Submarine-That ain't enough. The police have to without any doubt prove it was Peter who has killed her either on purpose or as he claim by accident and the police has to prove that it was Peter who cut her into pieces. Markus

08-23-17, 07:06 PM	#129
Platapus Fleet Admiral Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 19,360 Downloads: 63 Uploads: 0	While he is, of course, presumed innocent until proven guilty, the facts being reported do not look so good for him. Innocent people don't change their story drastically and certainly don't change it twice like that. The evidence seems to contradict his story significantly with little room for interpretation. One does not bury someone at sea by removing their limbs and venting the body. My question is motive. Was this a spur of the moment rape/homicide? Did this guy know the reporter before this trip? Unless this guy is especially stupid it does not look like a premeditated murder. Strange story but it looks like he is pretty guilty. __________________ abusus non tollit usum - A right should NOT be withheld from people on the basis that some tend to abuse that right.

08-23-17, 07:33 PM	#131
FlatRook Nub Join Date: Jul 2017 Posts: 2 Downloads: 17 Uploads: 0	This is one crazy story. I have even more questions now that they have found the chopped up body. Such a sad event for the family of the lost.