And the shootings continue....

[Stealhead]

Since the 1980's generally speaking military schools are where the really screwed up kids wind up and then they learn to appear to behave a certain way and do what they want and the ones that have leadership will lern to be bad and clever and be a leader.

Trust me on this the military itself does not improve a bad person it might some but not all if you seek trouble you will still find it in the military ask any MP in the Army or Marines and any SP in the Navy or Air Force.Now some folks that have troubles do improve under the discipline of the military but it is no guarantee.You should just read a base jail log some time.

[August]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Since the 1980's generally speaking military schools are where the really screwed up kids wind up and then they learn to appear to behave a certain way and do what they want and the ones that have leadership will lern to be bad and clever and be a leader.

Trust me on this the military itself does not improve a bad person it might some but not all if you seek trouble you will still find it in the military ask any MP in the Army or Marines and any SP in the Navy or Air Force.Now some folks that have troubles do improve under the discipline of the military but it is no guarantee.You should just read a base jail log some time.

Nothing is 100% but I've personally seen the military improve too many men to discount it's effectiveness.

[Stealhead]

I'd say it is split right down the middle some stay the same they just live by the rules some improve and others don't change at all.Just from my own experience people that I knew in the military and from people that have been in it goes one of those ways.I know guys that where screw ups in school that where screw ups in the military just the same no change.

I also think that some people in the military make up an interesting story about being some sort of bad dude in their "previous life" to sound cool seems like every one was on track to be a college football star or got a second chance from a judge bogus or was some wicked dope dealer that never got caught and wanted a change either way 90% of the time.Basic training does not change people it merely teaches you how behave in a certain type of society it fails to weed out lots of people that later get kicked out while on active duty.

There where also a pretty good deal of fights and MPs and SPs showing up hell in Germany one guy threw another dude off the 4th floor balcony amazingly the victim survived with a broken back.Every week people where getting busted on dope and not pot but the hard stuff it got so bad in Germany that they stared doing random drug tests on Sunday mornings yeah but load of improvement there it was not every one but it was more than enough to make me want to leave the enlisted dorms ASAP.I was in the Air Force the Army was much worse not trying to talk smack here either just being honest Army married NCOs where begging to get assigned to Air Force housing.Maybe in your day it was different not anymore their is no more NCO justice no real discipline in many units.

Military schools (secondary type) are not the military they just pretend to be full time JROTC nothing more.

I'm not trying to, and neither are you. In this case (which is the only one I'm addressing) all you're doing is twisting Casey's words around to make him look confused. His meaning was quite simple and clear, and you ignored it intentionally just to get a rise out of him. As I said, it's what you do best.

Not at all, he was among several people following a line of arguement which makes no sense.
If beating kids for crossing parental set lines was effective then maybe john wanyne gacy would have had more empty space under his floor.

Trust me on this the military itself does not improve a bad person it might some but not all if you seek trouble you will still find it in the military ask any MP in the Army or Marines and any SP in the Navy or Air Force.Now some folks that have troubles do improve under the discipline of the military but it is no guarantee.You should just read a base jail log some time.

Or for another measure look at example of mass murderers or mass shootings and see how many are former military.
They are well represented so clearly putting people through the military isn't an answer.

And to tie the two themes together nicely plus add another common line about armed citizens..... Lets do Texas.
armed citizens yep..... ex military, yep...parents who disciplined their child including beatings, yep .....Charles Whitman still murdered 15 people on campus didn't he.
Maybe he had some time travelled video games or saw some graphicly violent movies which made him like kids of nowadays eh.

[Stealhead]

Not that many actually are former military and there are vets in every state not every vet is a gun lover either I know vets that refuse to even own firearms ones that used them to kill at one point in their lives.Your stretching things.

Charles Whitmann got kicked out of the Marines and he never even saw combat he learned marksmanship from his father.Seems to me if anything like he was off all along though his dad was abusive to him and his family.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whitman

Not that many actually are former military.

Enough are to put paid to the notion that military service is a solution.

Charles Whitmann got kicked out of the Marines

Your own link says he got an honourable discharge in december 1964

Originally Posted by August

You know when Americans could spank their kids our nation was on the rise. When we stopped our decline began. Coincidence? Maybe, maybe not.

Ooohhhh sweet Jebus!
The worst thing is, you are serious...

Yeah, right, that must be it. Finally someone found the answer! Now, just go spank your kids everyone, spank your kids for a better tomorrow!

[the_tyrant]

Regarding the military reforming people: I once read in Soldier Of Fortune about how many gang members have joined the military, some to reform and go on a new career path, but many others join the military to learn important crime related skills.

After all, I would say that military experience makes you a better batman, smuggler, or gang enforcer

[August]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

Ooohhhh sweet Jebus!
The worst thing is, you are serious...

Yeah, right, that must be it. Finally someone found the answer! Now, just go spank your kids everyone, spank your kids for a better tomorrow!

Buh bye

[Hottentot]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

Now, just go spank your kids everyone, spank your kids for a better tomorrow!

Just remember to do it .

Buh bye

Well done nipplespanner confronting august with the simple fact that he is writing nonsense has put him in a childish strop and he hasactivated his special little world of ignorance

Yeah... I am really not surprised, its not the first time and I expected exactly that.

[AVGWarhawk]

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[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

Yeah... I am really not surprised, its not the first time and I expected exactly that.

Usually you need a plan first for that to happen.

Maybe I had...