What do you feel about SH5 now?

[kylania]

Originally Posted by mikeydredd

I dislike Hondas but I'm not allowed to say that, as I don't own one.

Are you going to Honda dealerships and Honda Driver Groups and constantly telling them how bad their cars are and how Honda Financial's terms of service are so wrong and that you'd never buy their products and are proud you haven't?

What would be said about a person that did that for three months?

[Méo]

Originally Posted by robbo180265

It just makes me angry that even though they have valid reasons for being angry they wont do anything about it. I've mailed UBI with my concerns - why can't they?

Once again I agree, it's true, they have valid reasons for being angry ( I almost forgot, they can be so annoying...)

If that would not be for all the spamming, immature comments and insults, I would be on their side.

Originally Posted by robbo180265

What do they hope to achieve by doing nothing?

They are probably gonna reply to you that they are not doing nothing...

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by robbo180265

What do they hope to achieve by doing nothing?

I've never bought the argument that doing nothing achieves anything. I've never bought that argument and I never will, yet it still persists.

I guess it just goes to show that not buying something, doesn't change it.

[mikeydredd]

I'm not angry at all. I don't own the game.

I seems to me the angriest people on this forum are those who have bought the game.

Can't say I blame them.

Dredd

[Frumpkis]

Originally Posted by robbo180265

Holding back your money just convinces them that no-one is interested in the genre anymore and the genre will die.

And going ahead and buying a game that one knows is seriously flawed on release, also sends a message to the game company -- that the genre is still alive, but the audience no longer cares about quality and will accept anything. We're not going to get anywhere arguing about who is on higher moral ground here.

Look, I understand the counter-arguments and I sympathize to an extent. But I've spent plenty of time in the past trying to work directly with game devs and give feedback (including some very frustrating beta tester experiences). I'm through with that. The only thing that matters to the people who make the decisions that we most care about, like whether the game is ready for release or not, how much to patch aftermarket, DRM considerations etc., are the bean counters tracking bottom line sales. Refuse to buy crappy games, and there will be fewer crappy games on the market. No amount of email communication with the game company is going to change that basic fact.

[THE_MASK]

We need a campaign rewrite to fix a lot of stuff . Like an RSRD . Then we will see how much better SH5 is .

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by mikeydredd

I dislike Hondas but I'm not allowed to say that, as I don't own one.

Originally Posted by kylania

Are you going to Honda dealerships and Honda Driver Groups and constantly telling them how bad their cars are and how Honda Financial's terms of service are so wrong and that you'd never buy their products and are proud you haven't?

What would be said about a person that did that for three months?

Originally Posted by mikeydredd

I'm not angry at all. I don't own the game.

I seems to me the angriest people on this forum are those who have bought the game.

Can't say I blame them.

Dredd

What's your answer to the question posed?

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by Frumpkis

The only thing that matters to the people who make the decisions that we most care about<SNIP> are the bean counters tracking bottom line sales. Refuse to buy crappy games, and there will be fewer crappy games on the market. No amount of email communication with the game company is going to change that basic fact.

OK, let's say that that's true for a moment. Where does posting repeatedly on a forum that a game doesn't meet your expectations come into that equation? If direct email has no effect, indirect complaining on an unrelated forum won't either correct? So... your logic says that posting complaints in any way is pointless.

[Méo]

Originally Posted by Nisgeis

OK, let's say that that's true for a moment. Where does posting repeatedly on a forum that a game doesn't meet your expectations come into that equation? If direct email has no effect, indirect complaining on an unrelated forum won't either correct? So... your logic says that posting complaints in any way is pointless.

touché

[V.C. Sniper]

Originally Posted by privateer

And your 'Expert' opinion is based on what?

Don't own the Game.
Don't play it.

Which puts you in the catagory of,
Hmmmmmmmm..........

If you don't own it or play it?
Your opinion means didaly squat.

Some of us do own it and do play it.
So we are granted rights to whine and complain!
It's in the EULA!
Oh!
You don't have that so are not aware of the Whiners/Moaners Clause.
My mistake.

lol u mad?

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by Magnum

Oke, then let me put it in this way. I have a Ferrari and something is not right with it, just last day a redneck with a noname car managed to own me on the highway. So I come back to the shop to smash their heads because selling me a "bugged" car. But what a surprise.. the shop is full with Porsche fans who already set the shop in the flame and they are bitching about .. Ferrari. Why? Because they love to race, but they consider that Ferrari is not able to build a competitive sport car. O.O

Still a bad analogy. As I said, what you have is a bunch of Ferrari owners not in the shop, but writing the car magazines that they love Ferraris but the newest model doesn't drive straight, has bad brakes and breaks down every 50 miles. And you say that people who love Ferraris but won't buy the car because of this have no right to also write to the car mags and complain.

My advice, give up on 1 or 2 burgers and buy the game. Yes, is that cheap now. Play it, test it then come back and post your opinion and what really bothers you and makes you game experience to be a bad one.

I would love to do just that, but I won't until the you-know-what is removed. That said, I'm not complaining about the game, and I will buy it as soon as I can. I'm just saying your argument is a poor one.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by kylania

Are you going to Honda dealerships and Honda Driver Groups and constantly telling them how bad their cars are and how Honda Financial's terms of service are so wrong and that you'd never buy their products and are proud you haven't?

What would be said about a person that did that for three months?

Same thing as I said above. I don't like shooter games, and I don't buy them. And no, I don't spam forums complaining that I don't like them. But if I did like Hondas and their latest model was a rolling junkheap, you can bet your bottom dollar I'd be complaining. To you, to everybody else, and most of all to Honda themselves. And no, I don't have UBI's email address, but I did sign the big petitions that were sent to them (I hope).

And no, I'm not trying to spam anything - just answering your arguments; which I happen to agree with for the most part.

[edit] I just looked at their website. They have addresses for corporate offices in every nation, but no email.

[Nisgeis]

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

Still a bad analogy. As I said, what you have is a bunch of Ferrari owners not in the shop, but writing the car magazines that they love Ferraris but the newest model doesn't drive straight, has bad brakes and breaks down every 50 miles. And you say that people who love Ferraris but won't buy the car because of this have no right to also write to the car mags and complain.

I disagree that someone who hasn't bought a product has a right to complain about its poor performance. I think they should be able to say that they won't be buying it because of the perception they have that the product performs poorly, but they shouldn't be complaining if they haven't bought it. They also shouldn't be providing feedback about what is wrong with the car third hand, if they have never driven it.

[FanGav]

Originally Posted by Frumpkis

And going ahead and buying a game that one knows is seriously flawed on release, also sends a message to the game company -- that the genre is still alive, but the audience no longer cares about quality and will accept anything. We're not going to get anywhere arguing about who is on higher moral ground here.

Look, I understand the counter-arguments and I sympathize to an extent. But I've spent plenty of time in the past trying to work directly with game devs and give feedback (including some very frustrating beta tester experiences). I'm through with that. The only thing that matters to the people who make the decisions that we most care about, like whether the game is ready for release or not, how much to patch aftermarket, DRM considerations etc., are the bean counters tracking bottom line sales. Refuse to buy crappy games, and there will be fewer crappy games on the market. No amount of email communication with the game company is going to change that basic fact.

^^^This is how i see things as well.
My plan is to wait for the sim to be fixed, either by ubi " I'm a half glass fill kind of guy" or the modders. Buy that time the game will be in the bargain bin so the company will make very very little if anything from their "beta release", and there will be recorded another unit sale to help keep the genre alive.
To sum up:When I buy SH5 Ubi won't make money from me for releasing crap, Bean counters sad. They will know I'm here and love sub sims, 1 unit sold.

[Frumpkis]

Originally Posted by Nisgeis

OK, let's say that that's true for a moment. Where does posting repeatedly on a forum that a game doesn't meet your expectations come into that equation? If direct email has no effect, indirect complaining on an unrelated forum won't either correct? So... your logic says that posting complaints in any way is pointless.

Simple, it's a reality check. I'm waiting to see if the game is worth buying yet or not, and it may be that some things that bother me aren't as bad as I think they are. If you look at what I've posted so far about SH5, one of my main concerns was the quality of the AI. I've received mixed opinions about that, so I'm still on the fence. I haven't been posting that many actual complaints about the game (do you have me confused with someone else?) and I haven't been one of those screaming about the DRM, because I think I can live with it, if the game is worth it. Posting my concerns about the game is simply a way to take the pulse of fellow gamers as a reality check, and see if I'm getting a good sense of the current state of the game.