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it would be great if you guys could work out old differences you had in the past and form new understandings and start over fresh but please move the discussion of old issues to PM's and not do it in open forum.


the peanut gallery (meaning everyone not involved) doesnt need to get involved in it nor should they be allowed to

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Well said, and looking foward to seeing some of your work when the time comes...

@Jim
Tarjak is tight fisted? Oh noes! Does that mean when i meet him for drinks next week in london, he will 'forget his wallet in the hotel?'
Ill make sure we go some place with a happy hour on!

LOL....let us just say he has deep pockets and short arms

[Ducimus]

When SH4's modding community first began, lessons learned from the SH3 "Mod War" weighed heavily on my mind. Like Jones, i was a willing participant. If i recall correctly, both of us were neck deep in it around the same time. So i was there, i know, and it's not something im proud of.

But, to the point, avoiding a repeat is what i wanted most. Sad to say, it's starting to look like you guys are already on the way to having a repeat. So i offer these tidbits in the interests of SH5 modding community avoiding a repeat:

1. Everyone will ALWAYS have their own interpretation. Just accept that, and respect a modders interpretation of something. Even if you don't agree with their implentation or design. If they do the same, you have mutual respect.

2. You CAN work with modders who's end goals/interrpretation is different then yours to solve common technical problems. Once the technical problem is solved, everyone profits. Put it in your mind that what they do with the solution to that problem is entirely their personal decision, as is what you do with the solution is your personal decision.

3. Work openly. The exchange of ideas and discovery's is a two way street. You learn from them, they learn from you. If someone takes an idea you posted and improves on it, so what?! The game improves, everyone profits. Also, by working openly it puts credation arguments to rest. Everyone will know who came up with what if thats your thing.

Those 3 things i think have been what has kept the SH4 modding community a peaceful and collaborative one. I know that to some of the old guard from SH3 it looks like everyone in SH4's mod community is all on the same team but we're really not. It's just a functional community. We all don't neccessarily agree with everyones ideas or designs, but we work out common technical issues together, and share discovery's none the less. It's simple and it seems to works.

As an aside, i wont be moving to SH5. But i will watch with interest to see how SH5's community pans out. If you want to forge a new and better community, the time to start is NOW. Good luck.

[Jimbuna]

@WEBSTER

How right your call was

I have responded to you and Jason via PM

@Jaesen

Rgr that mate....I'm actually talking to TarJak on the TS server as I type and in particular relation to your proviso he has asked me to admit to you that I am currently in the middle of a can of Foster's.

He finds that extremely humorous because apparently nobody drinks it down under anymore he reckons.

I'm off a bite to eat now, it looks like it's pointless closing the stable door now

[JScones]

Fosters??? Who drinks that cr@p?

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by JScones

Fosters??? Who drinks that cr@p?

Not me mister.....honest!!

[Rip]

Originally Posted by jimbuna

@WEBSTER

How right your call was

I have responded to you and Jason via PM

@Jaesen

Rgr that mate....I'm actually talking to TarJak on the TS server as I type and in particular relation to your proviso he has asked me to admit to you that I am currently in the middle of a can of Foster's.

He finds that extremely humorous because apparently nobody drinks it down under anymore he reckons.

I'm off a bite to eat now, it looks like it's pointless closing the stable door now

Oh how I used to love drinking from the oil cans back in my Groton, CT days. By the time I went to Perth I had already acquired a taste for it.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Rip

Oh how I used to love drinking from the oil cans back in my Groton, CT days. By the time I went to Perth I had already acquired a taste for it.

It's cold and it's wet and.....oh never mind

[Torplexed]

Originally Posted by JScones

Fosters??? Who drinks that cr@p?

Aww gee. And I thought Fosters was the measuring stick for everything in Australia.

[JScones]

<stops chewing his vegemite on toast>. Looks like I'm about 27 beers behind on the vegemite one...I better catch up! Fortunately I have a fridge full of "real" beer (OK, Pure Blonde, but it is surprisingly tasty, with less than half the carbohydrates of other beers, lol).

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by JScones

Fosters??? Who drinks that cr@p?

We do - but we really wish you guys would stop sending it to us...
(reads lable : 'brewed in Milton Keynes')

Oh sorry my bad

yeah we know - Our Fosters is about as Australian as a snow plough.

[THE_MASK]

I drink XXXX especially when i am holidaying in my caravan .

[Faamecanic]

Originally Posted by WEBSTER

it would be great if you guys could work out old differences you had in the past and form new understandings and start over fresh but please move the discussion of old issues to PM's and not do it in open forum.


the peanut gallery (meaning everyone not involved) doesnt need to get involved in it nor should they be allowed to

Wow...I didnt realise my post would bring up all this discussion.

As an outsider (who has been in and out of this community for YEARS now)..all I can say is I have enjoyed the work of MANY of you!! SH3 commander (couldnt live with out), GWX kept me playing SH3 long after SH4 collected dust. And many other mods by guys I dont even know the names of (Beery and I had our share of historical discussions with RuB).

Bottom line you ALL are talented...and I for one am VERY grateful for the hard work and love of sub simming you have shown.

S! guys..... I feel privalaged to be able to take adavange of such great talent!

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by WEBSTER

it would be great if you guys could work out old differences you had in the past and form new understandings and start over fresh but please move the discussion of old issues to PM's and not do it in open forum.


the peanut gallery (meaning everyone not involved) doesnt need to get involved in it nor should they be allowed to

Originally Posted by Faamecanic

Wow...I didnt realise my post would bring up all this discussion.

As an outsider (who has been in and out of this community for YEARS now)..all I can say is I have enjoyed the work of MANY of you!! SH3 commander (couldnt live with out), GWX kept me playing SH3 long after SH4 collected dust. And many other mods by guys I dont even know the names of (Beery and I had our share of historical discussions with RuB).

Bottom line you ALL are talented...and I for one am VERY grateful for the hard work and love of sub simming you have shown.

S! guys..... I feel privalaged to be able to take adavange of such great talent!

Let me put this matter to rest once and for all.

WEBSTER received notification of a bad post.

He immediately PM'd Jaesen and I asking us to take any matters of contention to PM.

Jaesen and I were already in the process of PMing each other to share our astonishment and amazement that someone in 'the peanut gallery' should interpret our post exchange in such a manner.

WEBSTER was copied into both PM's

THERE IS NO ILL FEELING AND THERE NEVER HAS BEEN BETWEEN JAESEN AND MYSELF, I am confident Jaesen will post to the contrary if this statement is incorrect.

If the above does not equate to the level of drama we suspect some might like.....TOUGH!

Can we all move on now please because there is nothing of the slightest significance to be seen here.

[Jimbuna]

@Torplexed

I reckon I was half way to the Midnight Oil guy on Thursday