Why mod SH3 and not SH4?

[onelifecrisis]

I must say admire the way people have managed to stay calm in a thread with such a flame-baiting OP.


Not that I intend to follow suit, but I thought I'd say that I do admire it.

Originally Posted by urfisch

and i hope all the work that was done for sh3 (which is quite a lot!) is useful for implementation in sh4 and was not for nothing in the end.

What a pointless statement. Everything is "nothing in the end" urfisch. But SH3 mods are something right now, to some of us. Why you should feel the need to come into the SH3 mods forum and declare that what the modders here do is (and I quote) "a waste of time" is beyond me. What do you expect will happen? People will go "Oh, now I see the light! THANK YOU FOR SHOWING ME THE WAY, URFISCH!" and start modding SH4? Get real.

Moderators, why is this thread still alive? Why wasn't it closed at first sight? What on earth does it have to do with SH3 modding?

[Graf Paper]

It's a good thing you're a modder and not a moderator. If threads got closed every time someone got offended or pissy over statements made by another, half of this forum would be shut down.

Without free discussion, there is no reason for these forums to exist.

Urfisch's statements can be taken as mere trolling, on the face of it, but the resulting discussion has been a very edifying and enlightening discussion as to why modders do what they do in regards to these games.

Certainly sounds like it has everything to do with modding SH3 and SH4 when you're exploring the thoughts and philosophies of those who mod and those who play these two sub sims.

[Hitman]

Errrrrr.....

forgive my lack of intelligence, understanding or whatever you might call it, but:

must say admire the way people have managed to stay calm in a thread with such a flame-baiting OP.

And then, just after that:

What a pointless statement. ... Get real.

Might be my german education, but I fail to see a logic and coherence in all that. It's great no flame wars have started, and then you start flaming the opinion of another guy?

All right, let's calm down a bit, I think I understand partly what you are saying, but still we can keep the thread as a civil discussion. No need to raise the tension up a few notches, every one has his opinion and there's no problem with that. That includes of course modding SH3 or SH4, and the thread has already showed a good amount of reasons why to keep modding SH3 is worth it. That is the kind of productive discussion we like, and I hope it stays in that line, or otherwise we will soon see threads lilke "Hey, why keep playing chess, a game 2000 years old, when we can play Super mario Bros in the Nintendo"

[urfisch]

thanks for pointing this out, graf.

right, i just wanted to start a discussion on that topic, to understand why so many people stay with this game and mod it further on. even as sh4 has the better potential and a tuned engine.

and its been stated in my last post, that i understand now why people keep on modding this game - i also restarted to mod sh3. and as some posters already recognized, i think its a very interesting discussion here. i do not wanted to flame...i just wanted to get some better picture on that topic and make people explain their reasons. no offense...dudes.

[Wolfehunter]

Originally Posted by urfisch

thanks for pointing this out, graf.

right, i just wanted to start a discussion on that topic, to understand why so many people stay with this game and mod it further on. even as sh4 has the better potential and a tuned engine.

and its been stated in my last post, that i understand now why people keep on modding this game - i also restarted to mod sh3. and as some posters already recognized, i think its a very interesting discussion here. i do not wanted to flame...i just wanted to get some better picture on that topic and make people explain their reasons. no offense...dudes.

There are endless reasons why players will make the choices. Money, system requirements, simplicity, fun, personal tastes etc.

No two games are bad. But one game attracts certain fan and the other attracts another group of fans.

[ReallyDedPoet]

Originally Posted by Hitman

All right, let's calm down a bit, I think I understand partly what you are saying, but still we can keep the thread as a civil discussion. No need to raise the tension up a few notches, every one has his opinion and there's no problem with that. That includes of course modding SH3 or SH4, and the thread has already showed a good amount of reasons why to keep modding SH3 is worth it.

When I first saw this thread my first inclination was to shut it down, in fact I have done so in the past ( similar threads ) with mixed reviews Then I thought, why not have this discussion, as long as it was civil and constructive, and for the most part it has remained so.

SH3 has had tremendous " sea legs ", heck it has surprised the hell out of me as far as it's longevity I know because I have been keeping the SH3 Mods\Utilities Thread updated since last summer, and I have been kept active, so much that I had to close an older thread and start the current one that is located under my sig.

As far as SH4, it has been modded heavily since the beginning, other will get to it eventually. No harm done in the end.


RDP

[AVGWarhawk]

Originally Posted by onelifecrisis

I must say admire the way people have managed to stay calm in a thread with such a flame-baiting OP.


Not that I intend to follow suit, but I thought I'd say that I do admire it.

What a pointless statement. Everything is "nothing in the end" urfisch. But SH3 mods are something right now, to some of us. Why you should feel the need to come into the SH3 mods forum and declare that what the modders here do is (and I quote) "a waste of time" is beyond me. What do you expect will happen? People will go "Oh, now I see the light! THANK YOU FOR SHOWING ME THE WAY, URFISCH!" and start modding SH4? Get real.

Moderators, why is this thread still alive? Why wasn't it closed at first sight? What on earth does it have to do with SH3 modding?

I do not know bud, you tell me, looked good up until your post. Personally, this thread did enlighten others as to why some stick with 3 and not 4. Why some like 4 over 3. Read through the thread. There are numerous reasons. Did not see one bit of heat coming from anywhere. Everyone quietly and calmly stated their case. Some are that just more understanding why other dig SH3 and other SH4. Truly, modding SH3 is certainly "not for nothing".

[kiwi_2005]

Thanks for nothing subsimmers im sooooo disappointed I spot the title and thought to myself AWESOME a flame fight in motion WICKED!!!

But what do i find, a bunch of gentleman behaving themselves :rotfl:

Just joking.

Nice to read some of the reasons

[onelifecrisis]

Originally Posted by Hitman

Errrrrr.....

forgive my lack of intelligence, understanding or whatever you might call it, but:

And then, just after that:

Might be my german education, but I fail to see a logic and coherence in all that.

I said I admire it. I also admire people who can lift heavy weights attached to pins that have been inserted through their nipples, but doesn't mean I want to follow in their footsteps.

[following RDP's <snip> I've removed the comments that no longer make sense]

Originally Posted by urfisch

right, i just wanted to start a discussion on that topic

No, a discussion is what you got, no thanks to your choice of words.

[Mikhayl]

What if we say that "people modding Atlantic stuff for SH4 are wasting their time, they'd better stick to SH3 while waiting
for SH5"

[urfisch]

i would prefer "provoking", with well meant intentions.


anyway. i dont like it if my words are cut out the context. your definition of them turnes the sense i meant them. i never told the work is waste of time, dude. "-> compared to the possibilities sh4 gives us, its more or less a waste of time."

i would never presume to call the modding here nonsense! i was always a great supporter of sh3 and modded a lot by myself - from the beginning, til today. but it is in fact a waste of time, if you see it under the perspective of the best sim you can get. sh3 has nearly, if not definately, reached its peak. so a question, why people still keep modding this game is legitimate.

not?

many people stated their reasons. and i understand now, why many stay here. but this was already posted.

[mr chris]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

What if we say that "people modding Atlantic stuff for SH4 are wasting their time, they'd better stick to SH3 while waiting for SH5"

All depends on when SH5 is released and the setting of SH5 and what enhancements it might bring.

[Mikhayl]

Urfisch, sorry mate 4 months ago already:

Originally Posted by urfisch

i thought about this the whole last weeks, as i finally have some time left to start modding again. and i came to the conclusion, that working on sh3 is a waste of time, since sh4 (better graphics, better engine, deeper gameplay, etc.) came with its addon and the possibility to play german boats. and since ATO (atlantic theater operations!) mods have been built, sh3 is no longer the topic to deal with.

http://www.subsim.com/radioroom/showthread.php?t=140771

And there was already plenty of answers as to "why", so why do keep going on the subject, what's the point ? Anyway it's already been re-discussed, bottom line is people here are old enough to walk by themselves wherever they want without someone holding their hand and telling them where to

Chris, yep true, just assuming that SH5 is in the Atlantic and does bring some actually new things. Otherwise Urfisch will have to ask "why people are still modding SH3 when we have SH5 ?" :p

[Fincuan]

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

What if we say that "people modding Atlantic stuff for SH4 are wasting their time, they'd better stick to SH3 while waiting for SH5"

That has been said here many times, along with SH4 being dead or just plain POS. Just scan this thread and you'll find plenty of examples.

[ReallyDedPoet]

Moderators, why is this thread still alive? Why wasn't it closed at first sight? What on earth does it have to do with SH3 modding?

I'll come back to this ^^^ as from time to time us Mods get this type of statement thrown our way, sometime it is warranted, sometimes not, but that is ok, comes with the territory here

Occasionally we are challenged from time to time to get our " shat " together so to speak, I challenge some of the membership
here to do the same

Sometimes threads remain open so that members here can find a way to understand each other & work things out themselves, that whole process is part of what makes this forum\site grow, move forward. When it does not, that is when folks leave, or similar threads get posted with similar topics, etc. Helpful, productive, not really.

So....this one will be closed for repairs and may re-open a bit later on ( a bit of a cool down period will not hurt anyone ).

Also, Hitman may want to respond, if so he will re-open it and do so.


RDP