Euro 2008 - Page 9

Herr_Pete · 06-25-08, 07:54 AM

Turkeys team is an absaloute mess. Only 13 players in there squad now due to suspensions and injuries. Germany have a full fit squad ready for them. Yes you can say "oh but Turkey have alot of Spirit" so does this German side and they showed it against Portugal. The Turks luck will run out against a far superior side. Germany to win 3-0 or 4-0. Turkey dont stand a chance.

Herr_Pete · 06-25-08, 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by asanovic7

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Originally Posted by Skybird

After 20 minutes again I watched it with just one eye. Boring. a duel of two different playing philosophies, it seems.

Be sure you don't miss Germany-Turkey. If the Germans keep up their niveau from the Portugal match, it will be a very close match, and with some emotional spice due to the high local rivalry: a lot of prestige is at stake. I see it as a 50:50, the match is totally open. I hope the Germans show to have an advantage in precision, fighting alone is not enough since the Turks have as much fighting spirit, they may also be slightly better in individual technical skills, so that must be countered by better tactic and team spirit. Tactical adaptation to the Turk's offensive temper and not wasting chances will be of the essence. Defense of Germany is not the most shining part of the team, so Germany needs to tackle any Turkish attack already in midfield to be sure, and will need to get and defend the initiative at all cost in order to even kill the chance for any Turkish avalanche. Maybe Podolski can blitz them. just countering Turkish attacks would be a high risk tactic, they are too dangerous for that.

If Spain meets Germany in finals, I have a good feeling that that challenge can be successfully solved for us. Against Russia - an open match again, maybe even with slight advantage for the russians. they are so damn fast and agile, they remind me of speeding mice.

From now on, everything - in good and bad - seems to be possible! I can't see any clear favourites.

It seems to me, skybirdi, that your team played much the same like Italians yesterday against the Portugal.. Or you are just fallen to subjectivity?

Turkey team is desimated. This is the day there luck will run out. Yes they have spirit but so do the German. YOu can't forget that. The Germans never start good but as the tournament goes they grow and become very strong. There Defense can handle the Turks fine. The Turks have to watch out for the likes of Scweinsteiger and Ballack and Klose and Podolski in the box. It will be 1 way traffic with Turkey on the back foot.

As for Russia and Spain. Spain are a fatastic side but cant handle team that put pressure on them very well. Russia are an all out attack with many young players. I see this clashing with the Spains flair so i shant be touching this game.

Dan D · 06-25-08, 11:19 AM

The US embassy in Germany warns Americans that are staying in Germany right now to be careful:

"On Wednesday evening, June 25, Germany and Turkey will meet in the semifinal round of the 2008 European Football Championship in Basel, Switzerland. Various cities in Germany have set up viewing areas for the public to watch the live broadcast of this game. The "Fan Mile" in front of the Brandenberg Gate in Berlin is expected to draw up to 500,000 German and Turkish fans, Frankfurt am Main will host a public viewing area at the Rossmarkt, and Munich is setting up a large public viewing area at the Olympic Stadium where 30,000 fans are anticipated. Similar events are planned in other cities and spontaneous celebrations or demonstrations related to the match may occur throughout Germany.

Because of the high fan interest in this prestigious semi-final elimination game between Germany and Turkey, there exists the possibility that disturbances, including violent disturbances may occur before, during or after the match, which begins at 20:45. At a minimum, post-game celebrations will likely result in traffic congestion in larger cities. Crowds celebrating previous German and/or Turkish victories have blocked streets and rocked vehicles attempting to pass through them."

We remind American citizens in Germany that even mass gatherings and demonstrations intended to be peaceful can turn confrontational and possibly escalate into violence. American citizens are therefore urged to avoid the areas of demonstrations if possible, and to exercise caution if within the vicinity of any demonstrations. American citizens should stay current with media coverage of local events and be aware of their surroundings at all times".
http://germany.usembassy.gov/warden/...24/index2.html

In other words:
"Come on:honk or hönk!
Watch the semi final of Uefa 2008 tonight with all the fans and afterwards, grab your rented car and drive down with the winners, either honking or hönking (in German: hupen oder hüpen), depending on the result".
http://blog.handelsblatt.de/indiskre...ag.php?id=1830

GlobalExplorer · 06-25-08, 01:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Herr_Pete

Turkeys team is an absaloute mess. Only 13 players in there squad now due to suspensions and injuries. Germany have a full fit squad ready for them. Yes you can say "oh but Turkey have alot of Spirit" so does this German side and they showed it against Portugal. The Turks luck will run out against a far superior side. Germany to win 3-0 or 4-0. Turkey dont stand a chance.

This is mostly tactics by the turks and their clever trainer. They want the germans to underestimate them ..

And as to the talk about the bloody aftermath. Some hours ago I was driving through the heart of it all, Berlin Kreuzberg (a.k.a as "Little Istanbul") and I saw a lot of happy people, many of them sporting turkish and german flags at the same time. I actually think this match is going to be a more of big party of both sides, a display of the fact that after all germans and turks get along pretty well. At least I hope this is what's going to happen.

GlobalExplorer · 06-25-08, 02:59 PM

The greatest joke in german tv history. Semifinal GER-TUR 1-1 and transmission breaks down. LOL

Red Heat · 06-25-08, 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Same happened here twice, I didn't know that Swiss was such a remote place that we can't get a decent TV transmission to Europe

Oh well, very good game from the Turks for what I could see

The transmition of the game fails two times in here too!
About the game its the first time for me wich im able too see the full game with the Turkey playing and i was surprise...what a power, and will to win, and fight...outstanding game, one of the best i so in this Euro 2008!

Skybird · 06-25-08, 03:58 PM

Tranmission problems were a global phenomenon, due to an electricity breakdown in the very centre, Vienna TV headquarters. German TV than fed in swiss TV transmission directly - Swiss TV is the only one being connected directly into the stadium.

Okay Germany won, but it was the open, very close match that I predicted - just worse. Turkey copied Croatian tactics - and the germans demonstrated in first half that they had nothing learned form the match against Croatia, again stumbling around helplessly and without orientation. That improved only so far, and not more. Spain and Russia will have watched the game, and will have noticed that, too. Expect to see more of that in final. The foul in 51. minute was technically a clear, medium-level foul and right on the line, as to be seen in slo-mo, rules say the line is part of penalty zone and thus the germans were rejected a justified penalty. but I am not thinking that a goal from that would have changed the match that much. I also think that if it were the russians today, Germany would have lost: the Russians are even more agile and faster and technically skilled than the Turks.

So, yes, it is the final, but the play of a sovereign aspirant for the title looks different. I think a turkish victory would have been deserved, too, but as it is now the Germans obviously had a little bit more luck. With luck again that is enough against Spain (with luck, remember). Against Russia it will not be enough.

For the time being, congratulations and "enjoy!" to the german team nevertheless.

P.S. when I was five years old, we were on holiday in Bavaria, halfway between Salzburg and Bad Reichenhall. the world championship was running (later won by the germans), and the Tv transmission also failed during a match of the Germans. One farm away, a farmer ran right into the barn and there shot himself with a hunting rifle in despair. Thats what I call solid fanship!

LaughingSwordfish · 06-25-08, 04:02 PM

After the borefest Italy-Spain we get a game between two teams who were willing to attack and take risks in defence and the transmission breaks down

What a scandal.
And one more thing. Why are those aceholes among the fans blowing referee whistles during the game? Extremely annoying.

GlobalExplorer · 06-25-08, 04:05 PM

Wow Turkey was literally a hair breadth from the final! Germany was just that little bit luckier, that's the only explanation I got. Great match!!

Seems someone in Austria f_cked up the worldwide transmission oh-oh. What a joke this would have been had some of the goal had fallen during the breakdown :rotfl:

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Originally Posted by LaughingSwordfish

And one more thing. Why are those aceholes among the fans blowing referee whistles during the game? Extremely annoying.

Yes that was really annoying.

Skybird · 06-25-08, 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by LaughingSwordfish

two teams who were willing to attack take risks in defence

On the German side, that was completely unvoluntary, mildy said. The German defense is a construction site.

All in all I believe the Turks deserved the win slightly more than the Germans. The Germans really stressed their luck.

Skybird · 06-26-08, 04:34 AM

Germany's successes (by far the most successful team at european championships, one of the two or three most successful teams at world championships, no other team has reached finals and semifinals so often) may come right from the mediocrity of german national teams:

http://www.spiegel.de/international/...562068,00.html

What they say about the curse of having leagues with many international stars and national teams made of "mercenaries" I think myself, too. German national teams are not a speeding Porsche, but a reliable middle-of-the-road Audi, as the author puts it.

GlobalExplorer · 06-26-08, 05:00 AM

Germanys strength is mental and in their organisation.

06-26-08, 05:23 AM

One would think they would have been prepared for power outages and have, say, a backup generator that would fire up when needed. From what I know it's quite common to have that type of system even for normal TV-broadcasts. Btw, the Swiss tv and Al Jazeera were able to broadcast the match pretty much without a problem.

But anyway, Spain - Russia today. Many probably see Spain as the favourite but Russia pretty much with a full squad is no push-over. Arshavin is quickly becoming maybe the man of the tournament.

Skybird · 06-26-08, 05:44 AM

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Originally Posted by OneToughHerring

One would think they would have been prepared for power outages and have, say, a backup generator that would fire up when needed. From what I know it's quite common to have that type of system even for normal TV-broadcasts.

At that time there was a heavy thunderstorm over Vienna, they said. Lightning probably struck at a critical place. Sh!t happens, and certainly it was no intention, so why not leaving it behind. We could have missed a goal - but as a matter of fact we missed nothing.

Skybird · 06-26-08, 05:46 AM

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Originally Posted by GlobalExplorer

Germanys strength is mental and in their organisation.

the latter not yesterday for sure. In thew first half there was no organiation at all. The turks should have led by three goals at halftime.

Wir haben Schwein gehabt, dazu viel Glück und Riesendusel.

06-25-08, 02:59 PM	#125
GlobalExplorer Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Berlin Posts: 2,015 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	The greatest joke in german tv history. Semifinal GER-TUR 1-1 and transmission breaks down. LOL __________________

06-25-08, 03:58 PM	#127
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,683 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Tranmission problems were a global phenomenon, due to an electricity breakdown in the very centre, Vienna TV headquarters. German TV than fed in swiss TV transmission directly - Swiss TV is the only one being connected directly into the stadium. Okay Germany won, but it was the open, very close match that I predicted - just worse. Turkey copied Croatian tactics - and the germans demonstrated in first half that they had nothing learned form the match against Croatia, again stumbling around helplessly and without orientation. That improved only so far, and not more. Spain and Russia will have watched the game, and will have noticed that, too. Expect to see more of that in final. The foul in 51. minute was technically a clear, medium-level foul and right on the line, as to be seen in slo-mo, rules say the line is part of penalty zone and thus the germans were rejected a justified penalty. but I am not thinking that a goal from that would have changed the match that much. I also think that if it were the russians today, Germany would have lost: the Russians are even more agile and faster and technically skilled than the Turks. So, yes, it is the final, but the play of a sovereign aspirant for the title looks different. I think a turkish victory would have been deserved, too, but as it is now the Germans obviously had a little bit more luck. With luck again that is enough against Spain (with luck, remember). Against Russia it will not be enough. For the time being, congratulations and "enjoy!" to the german team nevertheless. P.S. when I was five years old, we were on holiday in Bavaria, halfway between Salzburg and Bad Reichenhall. the world championship was running (later won by the germans), and the Tv transmission also failed during a match of the Germans. One farm away, a farmer ran right into the barn and there shot himself with a hunting rifle in despair. Thats what I call solid fanship! __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-26-08, 04:34 AM	#131
Skybird Soaring Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: the mental asylum named Germany Posts: 42,683 Downloads: 10 Uploads: 0	Germany's successes (by far the most successful team at european championships, one of the two or three most successful teams at world championships, no other team has reached finals and semifinals so often) may come right from the mediocrity of german national teams: http://www.spiegel.de/international/...562068,00.html What they say about the curse of having leagues with many international stars and national teams made of "mercenaries" I think myself, too. German national teams are not a speeding Porsche, but a reliable middle-of-the-road Audi, as the author puts it. __________________ If you feel nuts, consult an expert.

06-26-08, 05:00 AM	#132
GlobalExplorer Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Location: Berlin Posts: 2,015 Downloads: 165 Uploads: 0	Germanys strength is mental and in their organisation. __________________

06-25-08, 07:54 AM	#121
Herr_Pete Commodore Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Scotland, UK Posts: 623 Downloads: 102 Uploads: 0	Turkeys team is an absaloute mess. Only 13 players in there squad now due to suspensions and injuries. Germany have a full fit squad ready for them. Yes you can say "oh but Turkey have alot of Spirit" so does this German side and they showed it against Portugal. The Turks luck will run out against a far superior side. Germany to win 3-0 or 4-0. Turkey dont stand a chance.

06-25-08, 11:19 AM	#123
Dan D Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: 9th Flotilla Posts: 839 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	The US embassy in Germany warns Americans that are staying in Germany right now to be careful: "On Wednesday evening, June 25, Germany and Turkey will meet in the semifinal round of the 2008 European Football Championship in Basel, Switzerland. Various cities in Germany have set up viewing areas for the public to watch the live broadcast of this game. The "Fan Mile" in front of the Brandenberg Gate in Berlin is expected to draw up to 500,000 German and Turkish fans, Frankfurt am Main will host a public viewing area at the Rossmarkt, and Munich is setting up a large public viewing area at the Olympic Stadium where 30,000 fans are anticipated. Similar events are planned in other cities and spontaneous celebrations or demonstrations related to the match may occur throughout Germany. Because of the high fan interest in this prestigious semi-final elimination game between Germany and Turkey, there exists the possibility that disturbances, including violent disturbances may occur before, during or after the match, which begins at 20:45. At a minimum, post-game celebrations will likely result in traffic congestion in larger cities. Crowds celebrating previous German and/or Turkish victories have blocked streets and rocked vehicles attempting to pass through them." We remind American citizens in Germany that even mass gatherings and demonstrations intended to be peaceful can turn confrontational and possibly escalate into violence. American citizens are therefore urged to avoid the areas of demonstrations if possible, and to exercise caution if within the vicinity of any demonstrations. American citizens should stay current with media coverage of local events and be aware of their surroundings at all times". http://germany.usembassy.gov/warden/...24/index2.html In other words: "Come on:honk or hönk! Watch the semi final of Uefa 2008 tonight with all the fans and afterwards, grab your rented car and drive down with the winners, either honking or hönking (in German: hupen oder hüpen), depending on the result". http://blog.handelsblatt.de/indiskre...ag.php?id=1830

06-25-08, 04:02 PM	#128
LaughingSwordfish Seaman Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Norway Posts: 34 Downloads: 12 Uploads: 0	After the borefest Italy-Spain we get a game between two teams who were willing to attack and take risks in defence and the transmission breaks down What a scandal. And one more thing. Why are those aceholes among the fans blowing referee whistles during the game? Extremely annoying.

06-26-08, 05:23 AM	#133
OneToughHerring Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	One would think they would have been prepared for power outages and have, say, a backup generator that would fire up when needed. From what I know it's quite common to have that type of system even for normal TV-broadcasts. Btw, the Swiss tv and Al Jazeera were able to broadcast the match pretty much without a problem. But anyway, Spain - Russia today. Many probably see Spain as the favourite but Russia pretty much with a full squad is no push-over. Arshavin is quickly becoming maybe the man of the tournament.