[REL]Playable Pocket Battleship Beta 1.0

[W4lt3r]

The AI crew and standard escort/hostile ship AI is setted quite well for distant gun battles, im yet to adjust the sensor/radar range for the Pocket BB though. I have to verify wich one it is and then readjust it to the standard 32km range it had on that radar.

For the guns, i'll copy my current guns_radars sim files and re-edit those ammo values to bit more sensible, and bringing back the standard fire rate for those IJN 5" Duals ^^' i tweaked them to fire every 0.2 seconds.

But i got a get ready for a party i got invited to. I guess i'll do that adjustment tomorrow.

Also i dont want to bring an un-realistic amount of ammunition for the 11"ers, since that 300 shells (and then there is the current non-existent 150 HE ammunition) is well enough for me. But i'll create a step by step tutorial how to adjust to the values you like.

[lancerr]

Odd behavior on the armor for the Pocket BB.

In a shoot out with a DD, I ended up sinking which I thought was really strange and it inspired me to go poking within the files. I have a questin for you Mikhayl and Xan.

I've noticed that all the SH3ZonesCntrl nodes in the .zon file have an armor level of -1. That's supposed to correspond with general armor but what do I need to do to increase that value?

I'm also assuming these zones represent sections of the ship, correct?

[W4lt3r]

I've noticed since this was released, that annoying armor bug so i tend to engage those DDs at longer ranges then 12km, altho it's a pain to time those shells directly at them, when they travel roughly 920m/s.. But once you get hang of it, you can easily land all 3 shells on them.

But i havent touched the .zon files at all, but i'll do some tests tomorrow, unless someone else has time to do few tests with altered armor values today.

Hm.. *Goes to quickly check standard pocket BBs .zon files and compares them with playable one*

*edit* Just compared the .zon files of the deutchland (stock) and graf spee's. All values were identical, even nearly same on Iowa.. I dont know what that "Type" means though. some parts it has usually value of 15 or so but some then are even over 180.. would that indicate thickness of armor? who knows..

[lancerr]

I'm trying my hand at simple mods after all the hard work you've done.

I'm trying to change the sound of the pocket BB to make it more BB like. I went through the files and noticed the sounds referring to a Ship.NCL_Dido._mix file but can't find that file in the sound director.

There are also references to files like Dido.Engine and Dido. Propellor.

Where do I find the files that the BB is using for engine sounds? Thanks.

[lancerr]

W4lt3r : I would love to engage them that far - but my guys don't spot them, nor can I see shell splashes and correct the shot.

I wonder if it's possible to increase the magnification of the gun optical range finders so that it's easier to spot the fall.

Right now - firing at 6000 yards, i can barely see the shell splashes - at that range, even the DD's are opening up at me.

Rereading the Bismarck section, the author who was the rear gunnery officer for Turrent Ceasar and Dora talks about seeing the british battlecruisers at a range of 30000 meters (~32000 yards). I can barely see out to 10000 meters (which makes sense for a sub lying low on the sea but not for a pocket battleship).

Any ideas on how to change visual range? I may have seen some thread some where talk about this as well but i can't seem to find that thread.

Originally Posted by Mikhayl

Yep that's correct, for each "box" in the .zon file, you can check the corresponding zone number in zones.cfg. I think that when the armor level in the .zon file is set to -1, the armor level value is taken from zones.cfg. If you look at both .zon and zones.cfg you can see the potential pain it would be to rework all the zones to make them repair-able and still have a "realistic" sinking behavior
I don't know exactly what is "general armor", it's possible that a zone that has "-1" will use the armor level set in the "collisionable object" controller in the .zon file, but I'm not sure about that.

Tell me how to do it, and I will spend my week end in doing so.

Yes, I am that hot for this ship

[Raptor1]

Originally Posted by lancerr

W4lt3r : I would love to engage them that far - but my guys don't spot them, nor can I see shell splashes and correct the shot.

I wonder if it's possible to increase the magnification of the gun optical range finders so that it's easier to spot the fall.

Right now - firing at 6000 yards, i can barely see the shell splashes - at that range, even the DD's are opening up at me.

Rereading the Bismarck section, the author who was the rear gunnery officer for Turrent Ceasar and Dora talks about seeing the british battlecruisers at a range of 30000 meters (~32000 yards). I can barely see out to 10000 meters (which makes sense for a sub lying low on the sea but not for a pocket battleship).

Any ideas on how to change visual range? I may have seen some thread some where talk about this as well but i can't seem to find that thread.

You know some of these ships could fire over the horizon?

Originally Posted by lancerr

W4lt3r : I would love to engage them that far - but my guys don't spot them, nor can I see shell splashes and correct the shot.

I wonder if it's possible to increase the magnification of the gun optical range finders so that it's easier to spot the fall.

Right now - firing at 6000 yards, i can barely see the shell splashes - at that range, even the DD's are opening up at me.

Rereading the Bismarck section, the author who was the rear gunnery officer for Turrent Ceasar and Dora talks about seeing the british battlecruisers at a range of 30000 meters (~32000 yards). I can barely see out to 10000 meters (which makes sense for a sub lying low on the sea but not for a pocket battleship).

Any ideas on how to change visual range? I may have seen some thread some where talk about this as well but i can't seem to find that thread.

AFAIK changing visual range is hard, as the earth in this game is not "round", but flat, an what you percieve as "over the horizone" actually is a plane going upwards, "gulping" parts of the ships on the horizone.

[lancerr]

Is there a simple way of increasing the magnification of the Gun's view finder (or range finder or whatver they are called)?

[W4lt3r]

Hm, so you'r crew cant spot units further then that range in perfect weather conditions? Guess you need a copy few of my altered .cfg files to be able to see those pesky ships up to 15 kilometers, trust me. I managed to alter the visual ranges, lock on capability and gunnery crew's own ability to fire up to 15km, and im quite proud of that achievement.

Strangely though, i just checked my own .cfg files (sensors, CrewAI) and compared them to the mod one's. And they're completely the same.. guess the base file has something to do with it but i'll gladly upload my own files.

And as answer to the one above me, i think there is a topic regarding the gun sight magnifications...

[peabody]

Originally Posted by Rene

xantro could you and your team try to make the bismark playable just to show how much power the ship has?and how cool it could be to command the legendary bismarck as the captain

Making the Bismark would be a lot of work for only one mission.:rotfl:.Just joking, but that is history, I didn't write it.

Peabody

[lancerr]

Here's a little test I just did - very interesting.

I wanted to see what the visual range of detection was for Stock 1.5 with no mods other than the pocketbb mod.

Went into friendly port - Fuso happens to be there. My guys spot him at 13000 meters. No problem - it's not 30K but that's fine.

Then, I start firing to see when I can see shell splashes - Start at 10000, nothing - keep decreasing by 1000 yards till I can see splashes and then increase by 500 to narrow it down - guess what??

The shell splashes are only visible at 4500 yards (not even at 5000). That's ridiculous since DD's start firing at 6000 and if you want to have good gunnery, your optics have to be able to show where your shots are falling.

Any ideas on how to tackle this?

[lancerr]

W4lt3r - that would be great. I just did a little test and missed your post. Would appreacite your files.

[lancerr]

W4lt3r - Thanks found the Optics mod.

[lancerr]

Mikhay - Thanks. Clipping distance is what exactly since it says .1m? .1M? for near clipping?