For the global warming denial crowd

[micky1up]

ive no doubt that the world is heating up all i doubt is that is exclusivley a human problem

[Chock]

Well I wish it would hurry up and globally warm my fecking house up! I'm freezing my ass off here.

Chock

[August]

From the Boston Globe of all places!

http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/ed...al_warming_go/

Br-r-r! Where did global warming go?
By Jeff Jacoby
Globe Columnist / January 6, 2008

THE STARK headline appeared just over a year ago. "2007 to be 'warmest on record,' " BBC News reported on Jan. 4, 2007. Citing experts in the British government's Meteorological Office, the story announced that "the world is likely to experience the warmest year on record in 2007," surpassing the all-time high reached in 1998.

But a funny thing happened on the way to the planetary hot flash: Much of the planet grew bitterly cold.

In South America, for example, the start of winter last year was one of the coldest ever observed. According to Eugenio Hackbart, chief meteorologist of the MetSul Weather Center in Brazil, "a brutal cold wave brought record low temperatures, widespread frost, snow, and major energy disruption." In Buenos Aires, it snowed for the first time in 89 years, while in Peru the cold was so intense that hundreds of people died and the government declared a state of emergency in 14 of the country's 24 provinces. In August, Chile's agriculture minister lamented "the toughest winter we have seen in the past 50 years," which caused losses of at least $200 million in destroyed crops and livestock.

Latin Americans weren't the only ones shivering.

University of Oklahoma geophysicist David Deming, a specialist in temperature and heat flow, notes in the Washington Times that "unexpected bitter cold swept the entire Southern Hemisphere in 2007." Johannesburg experienced its first significant snowfall in a quarter-century. Australia had its coldest ever June. New Zealand's vineyards lost much of their 2007 harvest when spring temperatures dropped to record lows.

Closer to home, 44.5 inches of snow fell in New Hampshire last month, breaking the previous record of 43 inches, set in 1876. And the Canadian government is forecasting the coldest winter in 15 years.

Now all of these may be short-lived weather anomalies, mere blips in the path of the global climatic warming that Al Gore and a host of alarmists proclaim the deadliest threat we face. But what if the frigid conditions that have caused so much distress in recent months signal an impending era of global cooling?

"Stock up on fur coats and felt boots!" advises Oleg Sorokhtin, a fellow of the Russian Academy of Natural Sciences and senior scientist at Moscow's Shirshov Institute of Oceanography. "The latest data . . . say that earth has passed the peak of its warmer period, and a fairly cold spell will set in quite soon, by 2012."

Sorokhtin dismisses the conventional global warming theory that greenhouse gases, especially human-emitted carbon dioxide, is causing the earth to grow hotter. Like a number of other scientists, he points to solar activity - sunspots and solar flares, which wax and wane over time - as having the greatest effect on climate.

"Carbon dioxide is not to blame for global climate change," Sorokhtin writes in an essay for Novosti. "Solar activity is many times more powerful than the energy produced by the whole of humankind." In a recent paper for the Danish National Space Center, physicists Henrik Svensmark and Eigil Friis-Christensen concur: "The sun . . . appears to be the main forcing agent in global climate change," they write.

Given the number of worldwide cold events, it is no surprise that 2007 didn't turn out to be the warmest ever. In fact, 2007's global temperature was essentially the same as that in 2006 - and 2005, and 2004, and every year back to 2001. The record set in 1998 has not been surpassed. For nearly a decade now, there has been no global warming. Even though atmospheric carbon dioxide continues to accumulate - it's up about 4 percent since 1998 - the global mean temperature has remained flat. That raises some obvious questions about the theory that CO2 is the cause of climate change.

Yet so relentlessly has the alarmist scenario been hyped, and so disdainfully have dissenting views been dismissed, that millions of people assume Gore must be right when he insists: "The debate in the scientific community is over."

But it isn't. Just last month, more than 100 scientists signed a strongly worded open letter pointing out that climate change is a well-known natural phenomenon, and that adapting to it is far more sensible than attempting to prevent it. Because slashing carbon dioxide emissions means retarding economic development, they warned, "the current UN approach of CO2 reduction is likely to increase human suffering from future climate change rather than to decrease it."

Climate science isn't a religion, and those who dispute its leading theory are not heretics. Much remains to be learned about how and why climate changes, and there is neither virtue nor wisdom in an emotional rush to counter global warming - especially if what's coming is a global Big Chill.

[Torplexed]

Teddy-thread.....you're back from the dead! :p

[August]

Originally Posted by Torplexed

Teddy-thread.....you're back from the dead! :p

I try not to create new threads when the old one is still unlocked.

[Torplexed]

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Originally Posted by August

I try not to create new threads when the old one is still unlocked.

I don't mind. Aside from the one about video cards this is my longest-lived thread yet.

[Tchocky]

Ah, the old "it was cold today" argument.

I love going through these articles and finding out where these guys are coming from. Let's take his opening paragraph.

THE STARK headline appeared just over a year ago. "2007 to be 'warmest on record,' " BBC News reported on Jan. 4, 2007. Citing experts in the British government's Meteorological Office, the story announced that "the world is likely to experience the warmest year on record in 2007," surpassing the all-time high reached in 1998.
But a funny thing happened on the way to the planetary hot flash: Much of the planet grew bitterly cold.

Notice how he leaves the UK temperature predictions alone for the rest of the article. Why would he do that?
Because 2007 was the second warmest year ever recorded in the UK - http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7169690.stm

Global warming is an unfortunate phrase, climate change is more accurate. Weather has always been innately variable. Which is why cold records continue to be set.

Who is he quoting here anyway, that big chuck missing from the quote interested me.

the energy produced by the whole of humankind." In a recent paper for the Danish National Space Center, physicists Henrik Svensmark and Eigil Friis-Christensen concur: "The sun . . . appears to be the main forcing agent in global climate change,"

Hmph, these guys were in that "documentary" The great Global Warming Swindle, look it up in your own time.
This chunk of a George Monbiot article devoted to the documentary tells us a little about these scientists' history. They have been proven wrong on this a couple of times
http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2007...-with-science/

So Friis-Christensen and another author developed yet another means of demonstrating that the Sun is responsible, claiming to have discovered a remarkable agreement between cosmic radiation influenced by the Sun and global cloud cover(6). This is the mechanism the film proposes for global warming. But, yet again, the method was exposed as faulty. They had been using satellite data which did not in fact measure global cloud cover. A paper in the Journal of Atmospheric and Solar-Terrestrial Physics shows that when the right data are used, a correlation is not found(7).

argh, it's late
*blinks*

[August]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Ah, the old "it was cold today" argument.

I love going through these articles and finding out where these guys are coming from.

"Where these guys are coming from"? Dude, it's the Boston Globe!

[Tchocky]

Originally Posted by August

"Where these guys are coming from"? Dude, it's the Boston Globe!

Ah, but look.

Jeff Jacoby's column has been published on the op-ed page of the Boston Globe since 1994, when he was hired as a counterweight to the paper's liberal columnists; from 1987 to 1994, he was chief editorial writer for the conservative Boston Herald.

(by the by, this kind of mouthpiece-balancing irritates me. oh well, it sells papers)

[August]

Originally Posted by Tchocky

Ah, but look.

(by the by, this kind of mouthpiece-balancing irritates me. oh well, it sells papers)

Tchocky, I grew up in Massachusetts and have been reading the Boston Globe for, heck, it must be close to 40 years now. Believe me when i say that the Globe is so liberal (How liberal are they August?) Michael Moore could serve as their conservative counterweight. It's gotten even worse since they were bought out by the New York Times...

[Peto]

Interesting note on climate change: Tornado in Wisconsin today.

Discussing the issue with someone I know he said, "There is no proof that climate change is man made."

My Answer: "So..?"

Him: "Why should we bother doing anything about it?"

My response: "Pretend your house is in a forest. A thunderstorm comes along with a lot of lightning. A fire starts and is moving slowly toward your home. Do you drive around to where the fire started to see if it was arson or lightning? Or do you try to put the fire out before it consumes your house?"

His response: "Well, it's not America's fault."

My response: "I'll bring the marshmellows."

He wasn't happy but I was !

[CDR Resser]

You assume that we can do something about it. The best information that I read indicates that the recent warming (the last 400 years or so) is probably due to increased solar storm activity.

Respectfully Submitted;
CDR Resser

[Peto]

Well--about the worst thing that can happen by "trying" to do something about is cleaner power and less dependance on foreign sources for that power. I don't consider that to be a losing situation.

Respectfully Back!!!

EDIT: I do not assume we can do anything about the climate change I believe is happening. But I do know we can try...

[Sea Demon]

Originally Posted by Peto

Well--about the worst thing that can happen by "trying" to do something about is cleaner power and less dependance on foreign sources for that power. I don't consider that to be a losing situation.

Nothing wrong with cleaner sources of energy. I just despise how the age old "fear mongering" junk science continually comes into play decade after decade to try and change people's behavior. I find it amazing how grown adults can actually fall for this crap when these scare theories are always proven incorrect,or as overhyped garbage. Man-made global warming as a working theory is dying, if not already dead. It's like Y2K. Remember that nonsense? Only the individuals who are surprised that it's hot in the summer, cold in the winter, and less extreme in between keep this crap going. Most of these people don't even understand how little we put out compared to all greenhouse emissions in total. Some of the ones I've discussed these issues with don't even realize that water vapor is the largest contributor to greenhouse effect. CO2 is 3% of the total, and we are only 3% of that 3%. Which means our output is 0.1-0.12% of the total. Yet, these people claim that's throwing the entire eco-system out of whack. Even when natural CO2 levels continually fluctuate as well. Utter Fools. They basically claim humanity is killing itself by driving, travelling, flying, buying groceries, using household electricity, etc. In selling this "global warming" snake oil junk science, these people are actually hurting their own cause of a cleaner environment. And it's been proven that the industrial world just isn't going to do what they recommend, nor is it necessary. I'm glad those 400 scientists came out last month and told the Senate that Gore was full of bunk. He is. And I loved how Gore used the old, worthless, and tired argument of the "Exxon-mobile funding". Of course those charges fell flat. :LOL: What a loser.

BTW, it's freezing where I'm at here in California. I had a 1/2 inch thick ice plate on my windshield 2 mornings ago. But surprise....it's winter. *GASP* I guess only a man-made warming cultist would be shocked that it's cold in the winter. And I'm sure thery'll be shocked in July when temperatures are at 100 degrees F. LOL.

[Stealth Hunter]

Part of global warming is Earth, part of it is man.