Forced retirement (merged)

[jrlans]

Just after getting my new Gato class boat and being transfered from CompacSW to Peral my very next patrol no matter what i do, no matter how much i sink (and ive had patrols of 150k of tonage) I get told that they are phasing out my class (/boggle, sence its 42 and Gato classes are the best of the best at this time) and making room for better more agresive comanders . . . any help would be apprciated i dont realy want to have to start a new carrer

[clayton]

Since we start out in early 44, I wonder if anyone could even get to 1945 with forced retirement. :hmm:

[jrlans]

there anyway to stop from being retired and actualy fight out the whole war? If not how boring and yet something else that needs to be modded and changed

[AVGWarhawk]

Yes, early retirment for you man. You already sound like you on the edge. A nice desk job for you in Pearl sound about right

[Deep6]

Probably a feature by the programmers to keep you from getting super crews. Send you out to sale bonds rather than letting you put your uber crew up against the not so hot AI crewed ships.

[TheSatyr]

Most sub captains were limited to making 5-6 patrols and then got sent back to the states for new construction, or a desk job. War bond tours were highly unlikely...after all it was the Silent Service and the Sub Service wouldn't want too many details getting out about how they operated.

The luckier ones got staff jobs with the various Sub Squadrons...still a desk job but one where you at least still got to hang around Subs.

[Takao]

Well, it would be nice to go to new construction and come back about a year later. Once the boat has been built, commissioned, fully tested, and crew trained.

The easy way around the uber crews would have be to do it historically. US subs lost an average of 15%-20% of their crews going to another boat, new construction, etc.

If the forced retirement is that quick, I'm starting my next career in 1943-44. That way I can have the new boat with all the bells and whistles. That way I won't lose my Gato right after I get it. That would be a pisser!

[TheSatyr]

I thought you could use renown to avoid getting "retired"? I haven't really played SH4 too much yet. Besides...the asw a/c seem to have it in for me and I haven't lived long enough to make it to retirement...*lol*

[Takao]

Like you, TheSatyr, I haven't played long enough yet to find out. Started out from the beginning of the war at Pearl. I'm still on my first war patrol, trying to do an end run on a Japanese carrier task force. There are two Kates and one Zero on patrol that keep me diving, thus its taken a most of the day to just come broadside to the task force. Not mentioning a pesky Mavis flying out of Japan that drops in every few hours.

I don't know the cost of renown it takes to keep a boat. Or, if its a once and done deal, ie. using your renown to buy one more patrol. Or if its an excuse to keep the player from getting to much renown. The Type XXI in SHIII was, what 33,000. What's a Gato or Balao going for?

As for the manual...it was distressingly vague or just plain wrong most of the time for me to trust it. Most of what I have learned about SHIV have been from messageboards like this one, and not from the manual.

So, only time will tell...

[Grell]

That's rather unsettling, I mean who want's to have just 5 or 6 patrols? The more the merrier.

Regrads,

Grell

[swash]

Originally Posted by jrlans

Just after getting my new Gato class boat and being transfered from CompacSW to Pearl my very next patrol no matter what i do, no matter how much i sink (and ive had patrols of 150k of tonage) I get told that they are phasing out my class (/boggle, sence its 42 and Gato classes are the best of the best at this time) and making room for better more agresive comanders . . . any help would be apprciated i dont realy want to have to start a new carrer

You'll have to start a new career.

I had this happen my very first career. After my 3rd patrol in an S class, I was given the choice for a new boat, a Gato and transfered to Pearl.

After that one patrol, I was retired and confused about them mentioning "phasing out" my class since I'd just gotten the new Gato and only had one patrol in it.

However, I noticed the submarine number mentioned in the retirement message was S-31. That was the hull number of the S class boat I'd had on my first 3 patrols, not the new Gato.

Retiring me after 4 patrols I can understand, but phasing out the Gato in 1942 sounds like a bug at least in the message text.

A career length option would be great.

[THE_MASK]

If you want longer game play career time then why not TC slower . It would be far more rewarding when you find something . Running all over the place at high TC and finishing a patrol in a couple of hours doesnt souns like fun .

[richoahu]

don't end your patrols ;-)

just re arm and re fuel and go on out. they will keep giving you area's to patrol IIRC. i know they keep giving me areas even when i am out of ammo, i just have never choose the "refit" i always choose the end partol.

also, to the poster that said you got sent on a wild goose chase because they changed your "home". everytime i have had my "home" port changed they had sent me a message saying so. like when manila got captured they sent a message saying where i had to go next.

[perisher]

Realism is, complete your mission and expend your torpedoes, then go home. The game is unrealistic because it gives too many contacts so you get through your fish too quickly. However it is a game and a patrol with no contacts, while realistic, would be boring.

[perisher]

A further point on this subject. Unless in command on war breaking out, a submarine skipper would have, in addition to his own patrols as skipper, patrols as XO and possibly in other officer billets, before he started to rack up his own patrols. All patrols would have been a serious strain on the nerves, just how many could a man take?