Stuttering with high end system - Page 9

clayp · 07-18-07, 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Rilex

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Interesting theory. I have a SoundBlaster Audigy 2 ZS and I was under the impression that using a separate soundcard alleviated the CPU from doing EAX calculations and the like unlike when using the onboard soundchip and it has to do that all alone. But I'll try unplugging the SB and run solely on the onboard chip and see if that does anything. Thanks for the headsup!

This is true a seperate sound card does run better...Check these two links..
http://www.tweakguides.com/

http://www.blackviper.com/

If you want good gaming you need to keep the system tweaked and clean.Nothing running in the backround etc. There is nothing on my system that dosent need to be there..You have to get serious about it for good performance...

Given I run multiple virtual machines while playing HL2/SH4/other games, no, no you don't need to turn "everything" off etc.

Well sir thats up tp to you,but all the smart folks say too....

Rilex · 07-18-07, 10:49 PM

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Well sir thats up tp to you,but all the smart folks say too....

I wouldn't call misunderstanding memory and process management "smart". Rather, they take perceptions of what they think is true and attempt to apply it. It doesn't work.

I guarantee anyone who advocates shutting down standard Windows services for games has not read or understood Windows Internals. Doing so is a very amateurish technique.

Marko_Ramius · 07-18-07, 11:46 PM

Hi,

For those who have a Nvidia card, have you tried to turn off a thing called " Threaded Optimization" in global driver settings ? ( something related to multi-core cpu)

Maybe anything better with this, but why not try ?

Jmack · 07-19-07, 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Marko_Ramius

Hi,

For those who have a Nvidia card, have you tried to turn off a thing called " Threaded Optimization" in global driver settings ? ( something related to multi-core cpu)

Maybe anything better with this, but why not try ?

but did you get any results ???

Seeadler · 07-19-07, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Marko_Ramius

For those who have a Nvidia card, have you tried to turn off a thing called " Threaded Optimization" in global driver settings ? ( something related to multi-core cpu)

Threaded Optimization in the Nvida driver is/works only for OpenGL applications, SHIV is a DirectX app.

Jmack · 07-19-07, 07:26 PM

ok ...

the issue of setting afinity works for me , the problem is that every time you run the game you have to set it again , same as cpu priority

so i did a litle search and found this

setaffinity is an application for setting affinity masks on Windows processes and executables (generally files with a .exe extension). Affinity masks are only important on systems with 2 or more virtual/physical processors, like an AMD dual core or Intel HyperThreading CPU, as well as more complex setups. An affinity mask controls which of the processors in the system an application is allowed to use. For example, you can restrict an application to a single processor, or allow it to run on all of them.

so if you find it usefull get it here :

http://s1.quicksharing.com/v/5372682...inity.zip.html

Marko_Ramius · 07-19-07, 09:35 PM

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Threaded Optimization in the Nvida driver is/works only for OpenGL applications, SHIV is a DirectX app.

You are sure of this ?

Look here : http://www.tweakguides.com/NVFORCE_6.html

@ Jmack --> I have no stutering in SH4, so i have no result on my rig to give you

But why not try ? this is safe ..

Edit : I can confirm this : Turning off the "threaded optimisations" can help with some stuttering and some games/appl.

I made some test this morning ; I ran 3dMark2001 and saw some kind of little stuttering, very little though .. I had some in SH3 but i thought it was normal and not big issue ( very little kind of stutter when panning the view).

I then turned off this tweak in drivers and ran 3dmark201 again --> absolutely smooth, perfect.

Thinking about it, and with information given in link above, it make sense with game who don't like multi-threading at all. Or maybe i have an AMD X24400 with "dual-core optimizer" and this doesn't work well with the driver optimisation ..i don't know.

Anyway, anyone should give it a try ..

cunnutazzo · 07-20-07, 03:35 PM

Another possible advice for high end systems: when you upgrade your pc look for a right power supply first, because the last videocards and CPUs are "monsters" requiring more power. If you have an old power supply, your upgraded pc will work good in normal tasks (internet, word processing, etc), but will be a lot of problems when you play a game, bad stutters included

Jmack · 07-20-07, 03:53 PM

for what i understand the threaded optimization is for games that use openGL so for SH4 should be leave in "off" or "auto" ... in my current drivers i dont have the "auto" option so i set it to "off"

for a game based on openGL like IL2 46 or any of the il2 series it should be "on"
but il2 lets u choose the way you want to run the game openGL or DirectX

another question i have is about the page file memory or whatever is called that thing that uses the free space in the HD as memory

i set mine to the maximum value available wich was 4196
but ... i guess if the speed of access to the disck its not very good
this will afect performance ?

Marko_Ramius · 07-21-07, 08:11 AM

"Threaded Optimization: Controls the use of multithreaded optimization for all 3D games on Dual Core/HyperThreading systems. The available settings are Auto, On and Off. I would strongly recommend the default option of Auto, allowing the drivers to set this appropriately for various games based on your hardware. Only turn Off for troubleshooting purposes if you believe a particular (older) game is not compatible with dual core CPUs."

I understand this is for ALL 3d games, not just openGL :hmm:

Seeadler · 07-21-07, 10:19 AM

In the previous driver versions this feature was called still “OpenGL threaded optimization”. It may be possible that Nvidia also made this now for DirectX because DirectX 10 supports threadding. With DirectX9 one should not notice any difference if set to on/off/auto.

Jmack · 07-21-07, 10:36 AM

so i dont have the " auto " option for the threading optimization im using latest drivers
is this option present on the version before ? i dont remember ever to see it there.

ANYWAY about the page file memory any advice ????

clayp · 07-21-07, 11:15 AM

No stutter's....

Jmack · 07-21-07, 11:28 AM

well ... im shure that everybody is really happy that you can afford a system that allows you to play sh4 with no stutters and decent fps ...

now if you want to give some advice or useful idea instead of making fun with it you are welcome to do so

thanks

clayp · 07-21-07, 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jmack

well ... im shure that everybody is really happy that you can afford a system that allows you to play sh4 with no stutters and decent fps ...

now if you want to give some advice or useful idea instead of making fun with it you are welcome to do so

thanks

I'm sorry I just couldnt resit doing that in a bored mood,I'm sorry

..I did give some advice and was told I'm crazy..Its hard to have a system for more then just gameing..Haveing said that you have to keep the system clean and defragged you have to stop eveything that dosent need to be running when you are gaming..There are programs that will do thid for you..If anyone is interested I will post them..Even tho I have a strong system I do all of this..I can take a screen shot(maybe I'm dumb) and sow an iterior shot of the sub and I getting over 200 fps..You can make any system run better if you work at it....I hope you forgive me.....

07-19-07, 07:26 PM	#126
Jmack Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 669 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	Set Affinity ok ... the issue of setting afinity works for me , the problem is that every time you run the game you have to set it again , same as cpu priority so i did a litle search and found this setaffinity is an application for setting affinity masks on Windows processes and executables (generally files with a .exe extension). Affinity masks are only important on systems with 2 or more virtual/physical processors, like an AMD dual core or Intel HyperThreading CPU, as well as more complex setups. An affinity mask controls which of the processors in the system an application is allowed to use. For example, you can restrict an application to a single processor, or allow it to run on all of them. so if you find it usefull get it here : http://s1.quicksharing.com/v/5372682...inity.zip.html __________________ "victim's ? ... arent we all ? "

07-20-07, 03:53 PM	#129
Jmack Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 669 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	for what i understand the threaded optimization is for games that use openGL so for SH4 should be leave in "off" or "auto" ... in my current drivers i dont have the "auto" option so i set it to "off" for a game based on openGL like IL2 46 or any of the il2 series it should be "on" but il2 lets u choose the way you want to run the game openGL or DirectX another question i have is about the page file memory or whatever is called that thing that uses the free space in the HD as memory i set mine to the maximum value available wich was 4196 but ... i guess if the speed of access to the disck its not very good this will afect performance ? __________________ "victim's ? ... arent we all ? "

07-21-07, 10:36 AM	#132
Jmack Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 669 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	so i dont have the " auto " option for the threading optimization im using latest drivers is this option present on the version before ? i dont remember ever to see it there. ANYWAY about the page file memory any advice ???? __________________ "victim's ? ... arent we all ? "

07-21-07, 11:15 AM	#133
clayp The Old Man Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 1,554 Downloads: 340 Uploads: 0	No stutter's.... __________________ clayp

07-21-07, 11:28 AM	#134
Jmack Seasoned Skipper Join Date: Oct 2005 Posts: 669 Downloads: 23 Uploads: 0	well ... im shure that everybody is really happy that you can afford a system that allows you to play sh4 with no stutters and decent fps ... now if you want to give some advice or useful idea instead of making fun with it you are welcome to do so thanks __________________ "victim's ? ... arent we all ? "

07-18-07, 11:46 PM	#123
Marko_Ramius Frogman Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Near Paris Posts: 303 Downloads: 113 Uploads: 0	Hi, For those who have a Nvidia card, have you tried to turn off a thing called " Threaded Optimization" in global driver settings ? ( something related to multi-core cpu) Maybe anything better with this, but why not try ?

07-20-07, 03:35 PM	#128
cunnutazzo Soundman Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Pisa, Italy Posts: 142 Downloads: 27 Uploads: 0	Another possible advice for high end systems: when you upgrade your pc look for a right power supply first, because the last videocards and CPUs are "monsters" requiring more power. If you have an old power supply, your upgraded pc will work good in normal tasks (internet, word processing, etc), but will be a lot of problems when you play a game, bad stutters included

07-21-07, 08:11 AM	#130
Marko_Ramius Frogman Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Near Paris Posts: 303 Downloads: 113 Uploads: 0	"Threaded Optimization: Controls the use of multithreaded optimization for all 3D games on Dual Core/HyperThreading systems. The available settings are Auto, On and Off. I would strongly recommend the default option of Auto, allowing the drivers to set this appropriately for various games based on your hardware. Only turn Off for troubleshooting purposes if you believe a particular (older) game is not compatible with dual core CPUs." I understand this is for ALL 3d games, not just openGL :hmm:

07-21-07, 10:19 AM	#131
Seeadler Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Northern Germany Posts: 1,096 Downloads: 169 Uploads: 0	In the previous driver versions this feature was called still “OpenGL threaded optimization”. It may be possible that Nvidia also made this now for DirectX because DirectX 10 supports threadding. With DirectX9 one should not notice any difference if set to on/off/auto.