UK Politics Thread

[Jimbuna]

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[skidman]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Nicolas Bay, one of Marine Le Pen's trucklers (Rassemblement National). His mouth as big as his ignorance. What a shame this ultra right-wing BS gets posted here. Really disappointing.

[Catfish]

^ Well LePen does not deviate much from Farage's rhetorics, or what you hear from Widdecombe and some other brexiters
"Amusing" how they destroy the view the world had, of Britain.
I admit i did not believe what i heard and saw in those last four years.

[Skybird]

One hour ago, first German state TV propaganda channel ARD and its main news show Tagesschau made it sound as if the UK and the EU have practically reached an agreement, saying - quoting my memory - "Apparently the EU and Great Britain have reached an agreement on the controversy of fishing rights. Reports from Brussels say that the talks could be concluded this evening."


And I sat and thought What-the...?

I hope it is wrong reporting. After all, ARD and ZDF are state propaganda channels, ennobled by calling them "public legal Radio": overpriced, enforced, biased towards the official political view and poltical correctness, and very tendentious.

( The private TV channels's news are not any better, however, but at least they do not enforce getting paid by de facto taxes raised from households. The TV programs in germany all are extremely synchronised in their opinionated news reports. A diversity like in America CNN: leftist, NBC: centrist, FOX: extreme right, plus others like CBS or ABC, in Germany is non-existent and also unimaginable. They all have the same bias. )

[Skybird]

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-55422729

Apparently its true. They do a deal even over fisheries and the level playing field.

I can see this only have become possible by Johnson once again betraying his former claims and "convictions".

If I am right, he then would have betrayed Britain three times over Brexit. First on his claims and reasons during the referendum (which were mostly lies), then for the second time over him signing the deal which mostly followed May's original draft and already was not half as much an exit as the word Brexit made people belie, and now for the third time by falling back from positions on the level playing field and fisheries that he posed with as being "non-negotiable". Because I do not believe for one minute that the EU has given significant ground on these, especially the level playing field. To get Britain following the rules the EU has explicitly designed to prevent competition, was an utmost priority for the EU. No chance the EU has given signficant grounds on this voluntarily. No chance. Challenging tax competition from right offshore the continent? Not with the EU.

Seen this way, Johnsons at least remained to be true to himself.

[Jimbuna]

^ I suspect you are right and it is being broadcast here in the UK that an announcement of the deals details may be made by lunchtime.

Any deal would still need to be voted on by Parliament so that should be a treat to behold

[Jimbuna]

Right on cue as expected

[Catfish]

^ The annual resurrection of the Nigel

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

^ I suspect you are right and it is being broadcast here in the UK that an announcement of the deals details may be made by lunchtime.

Any deal would still need to be voted on by Parliament so that should be a treat to behold

And more rendering meaningless the EU and British parliaments and declared former legal rules. They now want to bring the treaty into effect WITHOUT parliamentary approval BEFORE the treaty gets effective. So that they have all time they need to get it weaseld, cheated, corruopted through afterwards.

It starts to feel to me as if they indeed have managed what I said four years ago already: stealing Brexit by hollowing it out until its just a sound, but no meaning.

"Nobody leaves the family." At least not alive.

[Skybird]

Labour announced they will back any deal, apparently in an attitud eof "no matter what". This means that Brexiteers and rebellious Tories are very unlikely to get it stopped. There will be no battle in parliament worth to be mentioned, if some may make noise - it seems to be already decided.

With amdocument of 2000 pages relased just in time for christams I wouold claim that most will nod it off without even having properly red it.

What a shabby outcome after these years of hype and drama. Simply shabby. British politics should feel ashamed.

Johnson failed during the referendum. He failed in signing the May treaty. He failed in handling Corona appropriately . He failed in signing this "deal". There will be a lot of candy-floss and sweet cream covering the core of this deal form all sides, but if one knows the eU wel enough one can have no doubt that the EU pushed through its main demands one way or another. And the nature of the matter is such that this is irreconcilable with the meaning of exiting the EU.

[Jimbuna]

Call me biased but if Labour accept it regardless of the content it is them I will hold accountable mainly.

Hopefully this will end up being Boris swan song.