Hamas launches war on Israel

[Skybird]

I wonder whether ther eis more behind the Israeli actions. I do not have the impresison they just react to the unfolding of the events on a day-to-day basis, but that they follow an established, well-orchestrated long-time plan towards an end goal that existed already since long time before. The quesiton is what that goal is. I read that I am not the only one speculating on this, and that some correspondents and observers also have this impression.

Israel wants the Iranian nuclear weapon program being taken out. Said plan, if it exists, maybe is a plan for preplanned escalatory steps that are made appearing as reactions to the enemy beign pressed himself into escalating (Iranian reactions), thsi way cretaing the case for finally going after the Iranian nuclear program no matter what the Americans wish.

Iran has started already years ago to move key components of that program deeper an deeper into the mountain to escape even the strongest bunker busting and MOAB-sort of bombs. I do not know of course, but I would not principally rule out that if Israel must go that way all alone, it will use nuclear weapons on said mountain installations. I dont sday its certainb, I just say: dont rule that option out.

That Biden now voices that he would prefer Israel not even going after oil installations in Iran (obviously in a bid to not have gas prices soaring in the final election phase) shows quite something. I dont like how he handles this, I dont like how he handles ukraine. I did not like how he handled Afghanistan (I agreed on the pullout and still do, but the more time passed by since then the more I disagree with the chaotic terms and conditions).


However, I agree with both the Israeli ambition to root poutm Hamas and Hezbollah, and the desire to destroy the Iranian nuclear wepakns program. Washington and Eur0eo seem to be bitterly detemrined to see Iran finally gaining nuclar weapons - and only hiding form the public that they accepted it, instead posing as if they had tried all they can to talk the idea out of Iranian's heads.



If Isrtael succeeds in tunring Hezbollah into an imptent entitiy no logne rposjng a real threat to Israel, then i say is the time when the scenairo of Israle indeed wnatign to destroy the nculear progrma o f Iran miust be seripusly considered as a possible inbrtetion of theirs. Because Hezbollah's role why Iran send it to where it is is right this: to shield Iran from Israeli attacks on that program by threatening Israel directly. Israel is heavily commited to neutralising that capability of Hezbollah. 1 + 1 is how much?

[vanjast]

The bigger picture...
The middle east was 'disabled' about seven years ago.. maybe earlier. Many 'leaders' (like Bibi) were replaced (as in executed) with doubles.

Keep in mind that IsRaEl was 95% jabbed.. a pfizer playground, so we're looking at many jab deaths at the 3-5 year mark, which is now!!

So logically thinking.. all these 'jab deaths' will most likely be covered up by mass missile attacks and the stupid 'can you believe it' IDF incursion slaughter into lebanon urban areas.

Ladies and Gentlemen.... IsRaEl will not exist in the next 5 years... It will be a land repatriated to it's original inhabitants.

Place your bets

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Would Iran be firing first, when they have developed nukes ?
Or are they going to use them as threat towards other Muslim countries,such as Saudi-Arabia and Kuwait

There are those who fear that Iran, who have a deep hate against Israel, will fire Nuke loaded ballistic missiles towards Israel.

While others say they will use them as Ace in threating neighbours.

Markus

Predominantly Iran becomes untouchable no matter how much terror it exportt and sponsors to the world - asnd towards Israel.



Israel would be suicidal if allowing this. Israel's annihilation is Iranian state reason.



I said already ten years and longer ago that the iranian nuclear program must be ended once and for all, y by any means necessary. I think I already said that during the Iraq war 2003, mocking the belief that there were nuclear weapons in Iraq at that time. Iran was and is the problen, not Iraq, as far as nuclear weapons are concerned.



Western politicians however have already come to terms with the prospect of a nuclear-armed Iran.They do not openly admit it, but they have accepted it already years ago.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Predominantly Iran becomes untouchable no matter how much terror it exportt and sponsors to the world - asnd towards Israel.



Israel would be suicidal if allowing this. Israel's annihilation is Iranian state reason.



I said already ten years and longer ago that the iranian nuclear program must be ended once and for all, y by any means necessary. I think I already said that during the Iraq war 2003, mocking the belief that there were nuclear weapons in Iraq at that time. Iran was and is the problen, not Iraq, as far as nuclear weapons are concerned.



Western politicians however have already come to terms with the prospect of a nuclear-armed Iran.They do not openly admit it, but they have accepted it already years ago.

Iran have already Enriched their Uranium to above 60 % They need to get it up to 90 % or more before they can build nukes. While searching for info about this Uranium Enrichment I found this page.

https://armscontrolcenter.org/uraniu...r-for-weapons/

Edit
Found this article too and it's about Irans work towards building their own nukes

The report, seen by The Associated Press, said Iran now has 142.1 kilograms (313.2 pounds) of uranium enriched up to 60 percent — an increase of 20.6 kilograms (45.4 pounds) since the last report by the watchdog in February. Uranium enriched at 60 percent purity is just a short, technical step away from weapons-grade levels of 90 percent.

https://www.politico.com/news/2024/0...anium-00160048
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Markus

[Skybird]

The Iranian tactic of the oast 20 years was to win time and silently,l cautiously rceepign forward, planning to reach a final line from where it needs just one last sudden surprising short jump to FINISH and nobody able to react to that last sudden rush in time.



If you want to prevent it at any cost, you must intervene BEFORE that point. Once they are there its too late.

[mapuc]

I predict following

Within the next 1-2 years, if not sooner, Israel and/or USA will implement a preemptive strike in the areas where Iran is enriching their Uranium.

Markus

[Skybird]

I dont see that, neither with Biden nor Harris nor Trump. And two years might be too late anyway.


If you want to do it, do it now, that Hsamas and Hezbollah are seriously weakened and Iran is handicapped as well. And Israel will need to do it most likely alone.

[Raf1394]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I predict following

Within the next 1-2 years, if not sooner, Israel and/or USA will implement a preemptive strike in the areas where Iran is enriching their Uranium.

Markus

This would make Iran go build more things. And giving them a ''reason'' to start militarizing all there nuclear facilities even more. And would for sure not let any foreign inspectors enter the country.

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I dont see that, neither with Biden nor Harris nor Trump. And two years might be too late anyway.


If you want to do it, do it now, that Hsamas and Hezbollah are seriously weakened and Iran is handicapped as well. And Israel will need to do it most likely alone.

I did write Within the next 1-2 years.

Which in my terminology means that Israel could attack Iran between tomorrow and up to 2 years from now.

And they are going to send special unit, since no conventional bomb can penetrate the mountain and they will not use nukes.

Markus

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Predominantly Iran becomes untouchable no matter how much terror it exportt and sponsors to the world - asnd towards Israel.



Israel would be suicidal if allowing this. Israel's annihilation is Iranian state reason.



I said already ten years and longer ago that the iranian nuclear program must be ended once and for all, y by any means necessary. I think I already said that during the Iraq war 2003, mocking the belief that there were nuclear weapons in Iraq at that time. Iran was and is the problen, not Iraq, as far as nuclear weapons are concerned.



Western politicians however have already come to terms with the prospect of a nuclear-armed Iran.They do not openly admit it, but they have accepted it already years ago.

Agreed

[Jimbuna]

Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar has been silent for months - now some Israelis believe he has been killed

In a windowless room, somewhere in the bowels of the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) headquarters, Chief of Staff Lt Gen Herzi Halevi jabbed his index finger forward.

Israel had just assassinated the Hezbollah leader and was about to invade Lebanon when he summoned his generals and commanders to take instructions.

But pictures of the meeting released to the press showed a seemingly unrelated image in the background.

Up on a screen mounted on the wood-panelled wall are fourteen mugshots of the Hamas chain of command - most of them with a giant red cross over them to mark that they had been killed.

At the top of the chain was public enemy no 1, Hamas leader Yahya Sinwar, with his grey hair and salt and pepper beard. For the first time since the war began, he had a question mark over his head.

The image set off a fresh round of speculation that Israel’s most wanted, the man who planned and ordered the Oct 7 massacres, was finally dead.

A little over a week until the anniversary of the terror attacks this coming Monday, was it possible the IDF had finally got their man?

Rumours about his possible death had emerged a few weeks earlier when intelligence officials began briefing that one of the precision airstrikes that had levelled Gaza may have killed the leader.

No concrete evidence has emerged since, but the pattern follows similar high-level assassinations in Gaza, which have taken a few weeks to be publicly announced.

Two well-placed Israeli officials told The Telegraph that the defence establishment believes that Sinwar is now dead.

One of the sources said that “it is highly likely that Yahya Sinwar was eliminated in one of the IDF strikes. The assessments in Israel’s security leadership suggest that Sinwar was most likely killed.”

However, plenty of caution remains. Sceptics question the timing around the Oct 7 anniversary and how Israel would have killed a man said to have been hidden deep underground and surrounded, according to reports, by Israeli hostages.

Sinwar could have decided the best way to keep himself safe as assassinations take down his top leaders is to retreat entirely from view. American officials told the New York Times they believed Sinwar is still alive and making key decisions for Hamas.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...1a638f15&ei=75

[Jimbuna]

Iran announces support for ceasefire in Lebanon, but only under one condition

Iran has offered to support efforts to achieve a ceasefire in Lebanon, provided that Israel halts its military campaign in the Gaza Strip, reports Politico.

Iranian Foreign Minister Abbas Araghchi made this statement on Friday in Beirut during the first visit by a senior Iranian official to the Lebanese capital since the Israeli airstrike last week that killed Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah.

Araghchi emphasized the importance of utilizing all diplomatic opportunities to support Lebanon and the region in the fight against the Zionist occupying regime.

While the Iranian minister met with representatives from Lebanon and Hezbollah in Beirut, Israel continued its airstrikes against high-ranking commanders of the group, Politico notes.

On the night of October 1, Israel launched a ground operation in Lebanese territory. The IDF stated that Israeli ground forces were operating with support from aviation and artillery, targeting military facilities in Lebanon.

Further details on Israel's ground operation in Lebanon can be found in the article by RBC-Ukraine.

On Saturday, reports emerged that the successor to the eliminated Hezbollah leader Hassan Nasrallah, Hashem Safieddine, may have been killed in an Israeli attack on Beirut on October 4. Confirmed information on this is still pending.

Additionally, on Saturday, the leader of Hamas's military wing, Saeed Atallah Ali, was killed in Lebanon.
https://www.msn.com/en-gb/news/world...20f31537&ei=15

[Aktungbby]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

Iran announces support for ceasefire in Lebanon, but only under one condition

...Hassan Nasrallah + Hashem Safieddine + Saeed Atallah Ali = 216 additional virgins needed in Paradise??

[Shadowblade]

Originally Posted by Aktungbby

...Hassan Nasrallah + Hashem Safieddine + Saeed Atallah Ali = 216 additional virgins needed in Paradise??

nope, Virginians

[Aktungbby]

/\...our fellow- member and fellow Bilgerat Armistead, would appreciate that Confederate 'high watermark' Gettysburg battle picture depicting Brigadier Armistead...just before he was mortally wounded! I was a 14th Tennessee reenactor back inthe '80's myself.