UK Politics Thread

[Skybird]

Well, skidman is silent, still.

Lets see what I found myself.

He is emmber of the afD, but I found nothing on him being a Nazi, however, if you are not letf enough these days, the left easily defames you as a Nazi. Nazi is who is not left enough, that simple.

He lives and works in the UK. He holds a doctor's degree in philosophy from Oxford university. He is a "reader at a university in London", works as barrister-at-law, and in his party is seen as an expert for European law.

By British standards he indeed is more or less what he claims (a reader is something like a professor without fixed chair in the academic branch), a barrister-at-law is a "Rechtsanwalt". The problem is that he titulates these titles in Germany, and in German as well, and German laws are against this, since professorship in Germany exclusively is being given by a German university. Or so they claim. That until the introduction of new academic title orde rin the UK a reader equalled a professor, so far is beign ignored in Germany.

He may exaggerate a bit, but it is obvious that enemies of the AfD use the opportunity to crack down on him for anything but fully transparent, clean reaosns, but because as an AfD man he is fair game (skidman even called him a Nazi). When the immunity in the EU parliament was lifted, at the same time a call by Poland to lift immunity of Guy Verhoefsstadt for having iillegally mixed into internal affairs of Poland by demonstrating in Poland, it was blocked: Verhoefsstad is an EU bulldog, and Poland is a favourite target for the EU, so the outcome was predictable.

But all this is relatively irrelevant. Relevant is that the claimed wrong man said the right thing - and that makes the right thing that he said not any less right. If an AfD man would claim that 2 plus 2 is 4, it would be attacked, too.

Granted, however, on many occasions AfD people indeed make fools of themselves for sure.
Not having their emotions under good control, they often overshoot the rhetoric targets with their aggressive adresses, making themsleve sound like angry apes. I find them quite amusing due to this, the entertainment value is as high as with Trump.

To call everybody opposing socialism and the EU a Nazi, is typical extreme-lefty overkill-rhetoric - and the reason why the hostility towards the EU is growing and growing everywhere. Not everybody likes the continental Gleichschaltung, and there are damn good and solid reasons to not wanting it.

https://www.zeit.de/politik/deutschl...at-die-gruenen


I do not know this guy any further, never heard of him before.

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

[Catfish]

Very 'funny' to call opposition against the AfD just of all a "left Gleichschaltung", trying to turn it all around eh? You are literally quoting Mr Hoecke if this tells you something, and is typical AfD and Nazi jargon indeed, rightly cut off instantly at any university that has a reputation to keep.

"To call everybody opposing socialism and the EU a Nazi, is typical extreme-lefty overkill-rhetoric - and the reason why the hostility towards the EU is growing and growing everywhere. Not everybody likes the continental Gleichschaltung, and there are damn good and solid reasons to not wanting it."

So? And this is extreme righty overkill to denigrate treaties and doing trade together, as "Gleichschaltung" and to even compare to what Hitler did. The EU is far from a "forced integration of all social, economic, political and cultural forces into the unified organization of a dictatorship, which ideologically appropriates and controls them."
The reason for the hostility against the EU is nationalism and tribalism, and a profound lack of knowledge what the EU really does, only echoing the yellow press and rabble rousers. No one with a half pound of minced meat betwen his ears would call this a "dictatorship".
The EU has a lot of flaws and is still better than anything i currently see anywhere else.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Catfish

Very 'funny' to call opposition against the AfD just of all a "left Gleichschaltung",

I haven't. But the EU project is about Gleichschaltung. The recent clash of th EU court and Karslruhe just being the latest illustration, denying that constitutional courts in countries have a right to object to the eU court and come to different findings/snetences. In pricn90poe this means all such courts shall be shut down. We can follow with natiuonal apriolasients and shut them down, too, since to wide degrees they aonly can nod off EU decisionbsk, but have no right anymore to object to them.

Think of it. National parliaments in many political fields have no rights to object to EU demands and decisions and laws anymore, are only left with the only option to wave things through. So stop the national voting!

Rockstar was wrong when implying that all and evertyhign already is there. But he would be right if implying that the EU wants to get there: on that there can be no doubt. The EU is not yet unconditionally a one-super-state. But it wants to get there, and better yesterday than tomorrow.


The Euro is a Gleichschaltungs-project as well.

[Catfish]

I am not sure what this is even about, if Karlsruhe can defy the primacy of EU law, so can Warsaw or Budapest.

[mapuc]

Why is it that:

When a person support or is a member of a right wing party. This person is automatically a racist and a nazi.

When a person support or is a member of a left wing party. This person is automatically a violent person.

I have seen(read it)on several occasion among my fb-friends.

Markus

[Catfish]

A bit OT here?

Originally Posted by mapuc

Why is it that:
When a person support or is a member of a right wing party. This person is automatically a racist and a nazi.

No, he/she is not automatically, if anyone is a member of a right wing party.
On the other hand, ask yourself if you often find nazis and racists on the left side of the political spectrum? It is all about over-simplification since humans try to make sense or get a meaning out of human action. But often enough, there is none.

When a person support or is a member of a left wing party. This person is automatically a violent person.

Not necessarily. In the US, recent riots against racism were blamed exclusively on the left, but imho this is not correct. The riots took place against a perceived/felt disparity in the police behaviour towards black people vs. white people, and this is not a politically 'left' reaction, but one about injustice and perceived racist behaviour.
Again, over-simplification, about the rioters and about the police.
One individual behaving bad or wrong, can give a whole organisation a bad name.

[Skybird]

The EU court rercently attacked the german constitutional high court over its ruling that the endlessly buying of bonds is illegal state financing. Karlsruhe also said earlier that no international court can demand that the German parliamentary mechanism of budget controlling can be demanded by international courts to be bypassed, since this would violate the consttitional basic orde rof the German state and parlamentartismn. In other words the EU court implies that states have to surrender to the EU rule and effectvelöy right now have to end their idn ependent parlamentaris system. Whcih the begs to ask why people even should be asked to go vot89ng in their natiosn anymore, if all decisions are to be imposed on them via the eU court of the Eu commission. So just receb tly the EU court attacked Karsruhe and said that no natiopna high court has the right to put rules by the Eu ocurt into doubt.


The EU court always has been Brussels tools to poush its icnreaisng demands of power over domestic legitmiation of natiopnal powers through, on all levels. Thats why they alsop want to have the EU court a strong foothold in the UK. It snot about trade disagreements later on. Its about still being able to subjugate the UK later on. The eU court is neither indepenbdent, nor neutrla. It was founded with the itnention to help propagate and materialise growing EU power of national states and parliaments. Its about enforcing disempowerment at the national level and reigonal voter level, nothing else. Parliaments hall be just alibis to keep the crowd obedient.


An outrageous pressumption of power. It is BS like this that brings more and more people up into arms against this power construction named EU. In all social classes, in all countries.

Thats why I think we will see violent riots and even civil-war like regional rebellions and unrest, even inter-state military conflicts before the next 20 years are over. Trump's US also hint at that direction, both for the US and for European states alike. That kind of empotionalise dmass hysteria as he uses as a steroid drug to poush up his fans will find its way to Euroope as well sooner or later. And maybe that is what is needed to indeed overwhlem the EU tyranny. Quesiton is what this vioelknce in the imminent after time tiwll give birth to. But whatever that is, maybe we need to accept it as the price fpor transition. I dont know, but itz should be clear that the eU will nto accept to be pished aside by legal play and fair use of optiosn and rules to limit its claimed self-.legitimisation. The Brexit negotiation tactics by Brussel are revealing. Unfortunately for Brussel, the wide public notices it, too.

If we want to escape that fate of villent European decline, we need to fulfill two conditions: we must get the FIAT money desaster under control by replacing it under controlled terms and conditions and returning to a commodity currency, and we must destroy the EU completely and get rid of it, after rebuilding a healthy monetarian system we then can opt to build a free trade zone instead - and leave it to that, for heaven'S sake.

And we must keep the Chinese and the Americans out. China seeks increasingly to spread its globla powergrab anddistrubuting digital Chinese money control mechanisms and basing depending traders/other countries on it, leaving them under China'S spell and in dependency from it like the dollar controls the world in the past. And the Americans must be thrown out because they will stick to their unhealthy dollar regime, after all it were the US violating a debtors' liabilities when they destroyed Bretton Woods and told the world America no longer intends to pay back its debts in value. And we mjst learn this one lesson: wher eone Truimp has ahppened, he or somebody like hiom can easiyl happen again. I currently think it will already happen in four years. Trump himself, or somebody like him.

I think Eujrope will not do any of this. That, and Islam, is why I call it game over for Europe. I have given it up completely already years ago.


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[Skybird]

And so another deadline has just been passed, with a new deadline issued, followed by the perspective of that being rendered meaningless, too.

How could one trust and/or respect persons whose words mean so little - nothing, to be precise?

This all is beyond the meaning of the term "hilarious". A new word is in need to be invented.

[Jimbuna]

[Jimbuna]

Ministers have ruled out extending the Brexit process into 2021 amid calls for it to be delayed due to the Covid crisis and the deadlock in trade talks.

Opposition politicians urged the post-Brexit transition period to be extended beyond 31 December, saying it would end the current uncertainty and reduce the chances of a damaging no-deal outcome.

But Transport Secretary Grant Shapps said this would "add fuel to the fire".

He urged people to prepare for the changes happening anyway on 1 January.

Post-Brexit trade talks are continuing on Monday, in Brussels, after negotiators failed to reach an agreement over the weekend.

The EU's chief Brexit negotiator Michel Barnier and his UK counterpart David Frost held talks on Sunday, but key issues remain unresolved.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-55390304

[Skybird]

I think its possible that Johnson tries to get everybody focussed on fisheries to distract from watering down other things for examplel regarding the socalled level playing field and EU court jurisdiction in the UK, who knows. By claiming ultimate victory over fisheries he maybe hopes to get evberybody jubilating and forgiving that EU regulations will cut deeper into UK sovereignty than could be covered under the term and meaning of "Brexit".

I have a different view on fishing rights anyway. If the UK claims sovereignty over its waters and would simply ban other fishingboats, the catching quota could be dramatically reduced if only Brititsh boats could fish and the fleet is not increased. Then the British waters could become a protected reserve where fish stocks could build up again, because fishstock across the oceans have been dramatically overfished and the fish populations are under immense pressure, and are declining fast. With the current catching quotas even increasing due to ever more aggressive Chinese fleets in the pacific region, and fishes also being under pressure from warming of the waters and shifts in the pH level that work against higher life forms, it is indeed desirable to have the first maritime protection zone near Europe worth the name.

There is practically no table fish species in the North atlantic that is not over exploited or depleted to dangerous levels. Only exception: Atlantic Herring offshore Canada, and - obviously - aqua cultures. And if every body now jumps on the herrings, its situationc could chnage within one year again, too.


Too much, too much, too much we demand.

WE ARE TOO MANY

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

I think its possible that Johnson tries to get everybody focussed on fisheries to distract from watering down other things for examplel regarding the socalled level playing field and EU court jurisdiction in the UK, who knows. By claiming ultimate victory over fisheries he maybe hopes to get evberybody jubilating and forgiving that EU regulations will cut deeper into UK sovereignty than could be covered under the term and meaning of "Brexit".

I'd hate to think that was the reality of the situation but either way, any agreement has to be agreed by Parliament, not Boris and in so doing would destroy the Tories as an electable party for decades.

I'm still hoping for a fair deal and an end to the madness, stubbornness and stupidity currently being displayed by both sides but any agreement must respect UK sovereignty.

[Skybird]

If the eu would want you to get a fair deal, you already would have it since many months, or would have agreed to your signalling regardign Canadian trade conditions.

They want to bind you.