UK Politics Thread

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by mapuc

This is my own belief

If UK leave with no deal on Dec 31. Some of other EU member states will make directly deal with UK. I could very well imagine Denmark bypassed The EU and made a fishing deal with UK and the same when it comes to France.

Markus

The EU won't allow any member state to make trade deals with non EU members Markus.

[Rockstar]

Originally Posted by mapuc

This is my own belief

If UK leave with no deal on Dec 31. Some of other EU member states will make directly deal with UK. I could very well imagine Denmark bypassed The EU and made a fishing deal with UK and the same when it comes to France.

Markus

A perfect example of a European's illusion of sovereignty.

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/p.../trade-policy/

Im astonished at the number of Europeans that still think the E.U. is like a NAFTA or just some fellas getting together on the weekends for drinks and cigars to work out trade 'stuff'.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Yes, your posted video made me first aware of the deals with Norway and Iceland. Do I miss something?

Just my copyright fee

[Rockstar]

So if its NOT the member states but rather the European Union which legislates and concludes international trade agreements. How is that Germany made the news with its deal with the devil to become the energy hub of European Union?


sorry maybe this belongs in the German politics thread.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

A perfect example of a European's illusion of sovereignty.


https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/p.../trade-policy/



Im astonished at the number of Europeans that still think the E.U. is like a NAFTA or just some fellas getting together on the weekends for drinks and cigars to work out trade 'stuff'.

We know that, Rockstar, its oild news to us "Europeans". Some of us are more and some of us are less happy with it. A lot of legislation also has crucial superdomiance and surveillance by the eU, with natiponal aparliaments beign disempowered. But there are also fields where the EU is not con control (yet).



My problem with your depiction of the EU is that you imply the EU already were a full and complete superstate. It is not there yet, it wants to get there but it is not yet there. And I hope it breaks apart again before it reaches there. Much "obedience" of national government still is voluntary, and not legally enforceable by the EU. Letting the EU certify vaccines for exmaple is a volntary move by national goivenrments, but it is not written soverignty claim by the Eu that only the EU shall certify it. Defence policy is another field where the EU simply has absolutely no say. And there are more, but I do not care to list them all explicitly.



You simply are many years ahead in time when you imply the EU is a state already now. It isn't. And fore the time bein g, Germany, France, Spain, Poland, Italy etc keep conituing being four different states - not one state. They opbey certain rulkes threy have given themselves, like the trade in NAFTA follows certain rules all three states have agreed to comply with.

[Catfish]

@Rockstar If you really think the partaking nations in the EU give up their loose bond for a federation.. i'd have a bridge for sale to you

[MGR1]

Originally Posted by Catfish

What about Scotland or Ireland leaving the UK then?

It does have to be said that a no-deal Brexit makes Scottish independence even more difficult if not impossible on economic grounds.

Thus a no-deal is actually in the interests of Unionists in Scotland, regardless of what popular opinion might say. After all their primary concern is the continued existance of the Union regardless of the democratic wishes of any segment of the populace.

You could say that from their perspective it's a perfect opportunity to bring the Nationalists to heel.

Mike.

[Jimbuna]

Boris arrived in Brussels almost an hour ago so tonight should give us a more definitive picture of the state of play but |I'll still be watching the football on the tv.

It can wit until tomorrow as far as I'm concerned.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by MGR1

It does have to be said that a no-deal Brexit makes Scottish independence even more difficult if not impossible on economic grounds.

How is that? I was under the impression that formally Londons permission for another referendum is needed (from an idealistic POV I say it is not, but that is not the point here), and if it succeeds and the EU embracing Scotland and wills to accept that it will be a net receiver, not as net contributor, what then is there in no-deal Brexit that makes Scotish "independence" more difficult and unlikely? Even more so since the EU probably would embrace Scotland, if for no other reason than to piss London?

Of cours you are never independent if you need someobdy else to pay your bills. And I am strictly against accepting any more states into the EU who are not net contributors, but net-takers. EUcrats of course see this different, sicne they know it is the tax payers shouldering the bill, not the EUcrats themselves.

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by MGR1

[...] You could say that from their perspective it's a perfect opportunity to bring the Nationalists to heel.
Mike.

Thanks for the info

With an ironic hint: Maybe they could hire Dominic Cummings, he did so well for brexit and i heard he is looking for a job

[mapuc]

Originally Posted by Rockstar

A perfect example of a European's illusion of sovereignty.

https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/p.../trade-policy/

Im astonished at the number of Europeans that still think the E.U. is like a NAFTA or just some fellas getting together on the weekends for drinks and cigars to work out trade 'stuff'.

I know

The Danish politicians have relinquished about 90% of Denmark's sovereignty over the last 30-40 years.
Furthermore
The Finance Act, which has been negotiated between the Danish parties, must be approved by the EU

Markus

[Catfish]

Originally Posted by mapuc

I know [...]

Well i don't know. Denmark is usually seen as a model for economical and social success. What is so bad now?

[Rockstar]

I'll ask again why was the Merkelreich making international trade agreements with Putin and his old east German cronies. But other E.U. member states are expected to rely on the European Union to make trade agreements?

[Catfish]

Yes, this whole project is pretty dumb. Not out of malice, but mere incompetence.
But look at the bright side, regarding blunder you will never walk alone.

https://translate.google.com/transla...land-1.4720758

[mapuc]

I made some research, mostly because I could not remember who many percentage the Danish Fishery caught in British waters.

40 % per year or in money 161239957,44 Euro/1.2 bn Danish Kroner.

Markus