US Politics Thread 2021-24 - Page 835

AVGWarhawk · 04-03-25, 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Buddahaid

Trump inherited a good economy from Obama.

Trump did not shotgun tariffs in his first term.

Russia's first attack on Ukraine was in Trump's first term.

Tariffs could be successful if planned and targeted. Again, the shotgun approach will fail.

No, I don't wish it to fail because it's Trump. I have investments for retirement that I want to grow in value, but Trump is going about it with a hammer where finer methods are needed.

And here we go. Sigh. Did Trump crash the good economy (printed money by Obama/fake economy)? The talking heads said he would. Did the economy grow? Certainly. During his first term, Trump imposed several tariffs, primarily targeting imports from China, and certain global goods like steel and aluminum, washing machines and solar panels. Some of those tariffs remain while others have expired. Then COVID.

On 24 February 2022, Russia launched a military invasion of Ukraine. Joe Biden's tenure as the 46th president of the United States began with his inauguration on January 20, 2021.

Trump targeted his tariffs first term. Read above.

Yes, it is just Trump that you do not like with every fiber of your being. The entire thread is riddled with examples of just that.

I too have watched my investments for retirement tank. For that I wish he used a precision instrument instead of a battle axe with these tariffs. However, my portfolio manager and other investment firms said to hold the line. Sadly, it will take 4-6 years to re-coop losses. Similar to 2008. But if is for a better future for my kids and their kids...so be it.

Buddahaid · 04-03-25, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

And here we go. Sigh. Did Trump crash the good economy (printed money by Obama/fake economy)? The talking heads said he would. Did the economy grow? Certainly. During his first term, Trump imposed several tariffs, primarily targeting imports from China, and certain global goods like steel and aluminum, washing machines and solar panels. Some of those tariffs remain while others have expired. Then COVID.

On 24 February 2022, Russia launched a military invasion of Ukraine. Joe Biden's tenure as the 46th president of the United States began with his inauguration on January 20, 2021.

Trump targeted his tariffs first term. Read above.

Yes, it is just Trump that you do not like with every fiber of your being. The entire thread is riddled with examples of just that.

I too have watched my investments for retirement tank. For that I wish he used a precision instrument instead of a battle axe with these tariffs. However, my portfolio manager and other investment firms said to hold the line. Sadly, it will take 4-6 years to re-coop losses. Similar to 2008. But if is for a better future for my kids and their kids...so be it.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kerch_Strait_incident
Russia attacks Ukrainian warships 2018.

Yes, he did target tariffs in his first term, and I said he did not shotgun them like now.

MaDef · 04-03-25, 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

And here we go. Sigh. Did Trump crash the good economy (printed money by Obama/fake economy)? The talking heads said he would. Did the economy grow? Certainly. During his first term, Trump imposed several tariffs, primarily targeting imports from China, and certain global goods like steel and aluminum, washing machines and solar panels. Some of those tariffs remain while others have expired. Then COVID.

On 24 February 2022, Russia launched a military invasion of Ukraine. Joe Biden's tenure as the 46th president of the United States began with his inauguration on January 20, 2021.

Trump targeted his tariffs first term. Read above.

Yes, it is just Trump that you do not like with every fiber of your being. The entire thread is riddled with examples of just that.

I too have watched my investments for retirement tank. For that I wish he used a precision instrument instead of a battle axe with these tariffs. However, my portfolio manager and other investment firms said to hold the line. Sadly, it will take 4-6 years to re-coop losses. Similar to 2008. But if is for a better future for my kids and their kids...so be it.

Buddahaid is trying to gaslight you, he's referencing the Kerch straight navel engagement between Ukraine and Russia, that happened in Nov. 2018. What HE fails to acknowledge is that those two have been fighting with each other since March of 2014 when Russia invaded the Crimean Peninsula and kicked off the Russia-Ukraine war.

Ostfriese · 04-04-25, 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

But if is for a better future for my kids and their kids...so be it.

The GOP's policies do exactly the opposite, they make everything worse for your kids and their kids - and puts a hefty bill on them.

Otto Harkaman · 04-04-25, 01:57 AM

Meanwhile in the other corner DEM Gov Gavin Newsom is determined to gain revenue from speeding citizens.

Ostfriese · 04-04-25, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Otto Harkaman

Meanwhile in the other corner DEM Gov Gavin Newsom is determined to gain revenue from speeding citizens.

A system that actually works quite well in a number of nations. In nations like Denmark, Siwtzerland, Poland, Austria and Italy even your car might be confiscated and sold off (in extreme cases of speeding). In Switzerland you might even be imprisoned.

But I've got a tipp for you how to easily avoid speeding tickets: don't drive too fast, stick to the rules. Be a lawful citizen.

Reece · 04-04-25, 02:52 AM

and

Raf1394 · 04-04-25, 03:58 AM

I think these import taxes from Trump, are a way to scare other countries.
Trump is waiting for a good return deal from other countries.
Then he will say ''okay instead of 30% import tax, i only ask 10%''

The stock markets are just overreacting (like they always do

)

After a while, the stock markets will regain some wealth again and go back with positive %. ''oh it wasn't that bad, its only 10%''
If you follow Trump's actions and decisions, you can already see what he is doing.

Ostfriese · 04-04-25, 04:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Raf1394

I think these import taxes from Trump, are a way to scare other countries.
Trump is waiting for a good return deal from other countries.
Then he will say ''okay instead of 30% import tax, i only ask 10%''

The stock markets are just overreacting (like they always do

)

After a while, the stock markets will regain some wealth again and go back with positive %. ''oh it wasn't that bad, its only 10%''
If you follow Trump's actions and decisions, you can already see what he is doing.

Even if that happens it's bad for the Average Joe - because it will still be he who will have to pay the tariffs.

GrenSo · 04-04-25, 04:09 AM

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Originally Posted by Ostfriese

Even if that happens it's bad for the Average Joe - because it will still be he who will have to pay the tariffs.

And don't forget, we Europeans are also economically powerful when we want to be. I'm just saying export tariffs on certain goods. China shouldn't be underestimated either.

AVGWarhawk · 04-04-25, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MaDef

Buddahaid is trying to gaslight you, he's referencing the Kerch straight navel engagement between Ukraine and Russia, that happened in Nov. 2018. What HE fails to acknowledge is that those two have been fighting with each other since March of 2014 when Russia invaded the Crimean Peninsula and kicked off the Russia-Ukraine war.

I see that. To my understanding Ukraine was provoking Russia for some time.. Looks like another poke the bear incident. I could be wrong. Fact remains, Trump's first term there was war ending and none started. It was relatively peaceful around the global. The economy didn't crash. Trump did install a throne in the oval office. But they refuse to acknowledge because...Trump

AVGWarhawk · 04-04-25, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by GrenSo

And don't forget, we Europeans are also economically powerful when we want to be. I'm just saying export tariffs on certain goods. China shouldn't be underestimated either.

China is quietly buying land in the US. Definitely don't underestimate China.

Skybird · 04-04-25, 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Ukraine was provoking Russia for some time

Disqualified.

AVGWarhawk · 04-04-25, 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Raf1394

I think these import taxes from Trump, are a way to scare other countries.
Trump is waiting for a good return deal from other countries.
Then he will say ''okay instead of 30% import tax, i only ask 10%''

The stock markets are just overreacting (like they always do

)

After a while, the stock markets will regain some wealth again and go back with positive %. ''oh it wasn't that bad, its only 10%''
If you follow Trump's actions and decisions, you can already see what he is doing.

The worst market slide in recent history was close to 3000 at the close. I think it was during Bidens administration. Yes, it pulled back but it was under a fake economy. DC was printing money. Obama economy was printing money. The US manufacturer much of nothing. Trump is looking to create a real tangible economy. People work and manufacturer things. The US is nothing but a service oriented economy. Think of Jamaica and the like. They survive on tourism. The US is darn close to that type of economy.

Reece · 04-04-25, 05:57 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

To my understanding Ukraine was provoking Russia for some time..

Please explain!

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Raf1394 Captain Join Date: Sep 2024 Location: Europe Posts: 507 Downloads: 3 Uploads: 0	I think these import taxes from Trump, are a way to scare other countries. Trump is waiting for a good return deal from other countries. Then he will say ''okay instead of 30% import tax, i only ask 10%'' The stock markets are just overreacting (like they always do) After a while, the stock markets will regain some wealth again and go back with positive %. ''*oh it wasn't that bad, its only 10%*'' If you follow Trump's actions and decisions, you can already see what he is doing.