UK Politics Thread

[STEED]

Election results 2019: Brexit Party 'killed Lib Dems and hurt Labour' - Farage

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50766123

Really.

[STEED]

My low point of the results
Head bangers here voted for a nutter whom would be better suited in extinction rebellion.

My high point of the results
Nicola sturgeon caught on camera celebrating Jo Swinson losing her seat.


What were your lows and highs?

[JU_88]

Im just happy we said no to what is basically radical socialism out of blind empathy - dressed as 'social democracy' to make it more palatable.

Im not going to apologise for not wanting to live in Venezuala :P


I take no joy in seeing peoples hopes and dreams shattered even if I dont agree with them.
I feel kinda bad for Corbyn and Swinson, and Im sorry that their respective ideologies blinded them to reality.


Their are many in the Labour Party that know exactly what's gone wrong, But the momentum Zelots cant see it and they never will. All they will take away from this is thats its all everyone elses fault.
the Tories / far right / the Murdoch rags / brexiteers / neo liberals / Blairites / Moderate lefties / Trump / Israel / Russian bots / The corperations/ Internet trolls etc
and that the solution is that they Should double down and go even further left. Like any radical, they will never take any responsibility or self reflect.


I can see more of the old gaurd and moderates getting booted and bullied out of the Labour Party in the months and years to come, because Momentum are calling the shots now.
We are at the point that they should just change the official Party name from Labour to Momentum, because thats what it has become.
I'm not sure Labour can be salvaged. I hope it can though, because we NEED a sensible and stong opposition party to the Tories. And one that actually bloody listens instead of just moral preaching.
It was the Brexit election.

The Tories won because (for once) they listened and were reluctantly willing to compromise. Labour lost because they would neither clarify or budge and just tried to change the subject. They simply couldnt do what was being asked of them because it was in conflict with progressive values and neo marxist dogma.

The Conservative goverment is basically 10 years old and its been quite a car crash, at this point in time Any other Labour Goverment should have been able to wipe the floor with them.

[Kapitan]

Wait I don’t like this result can we have another one

[mapuc]

Well if anyone was in some doubt whether the British people want to leave EU or not. They do not have to doubt anymore.

Markus

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by mapuc

Well if anyone was in some doubt whether the British people want to leave EU or not. They do not have to doubt anymore.

Markus

No because you will still get the Remain argument that if you add Labour, SNP and Libdem votes together you get a remain majority. :P
Its never so easy or simple

[FeatsOfStrength]

Labour, Conservatives, Brexit or No-Brexit there doesn't seem to be anyone doing anything serious about the issue of British assets being sold wholesale to China. It's treated as though they are some free-market foreign venture capitalist investors, who consider the UK to be a "good investment", when in reality any money spent on foreign assets by Chinese businesses is more to do with securing the geo-political goals of the Politburo than to wanting to invest in our country in good faith. They don't spend a penny without taking their long-term totalitarian strategy into account, and it's not aimed at promoting Freedom & Liberal Democracy.

After Brexit I imagine this issue will only get worse, not that it's not an issue within the EU already, but at least there was some protection in being a part of a unified block. I don't see Brexit as "Independence" I see it as opening the door to more acrid foreign influence, that to some extent EU regulations (often touted as being red tape regarding bendy bananas) protected us from.

No one thinks long term any more, all the politics in our country provide are empty promises and short term returns.

[Moonlight]

Originally Posted by STEED

My low point of the results
Head bangers here voted for a nutter whom would be better suited in extinction rebellion.

My high point of the results
Nicola sturgeon caught on camera celebrating Jo Swinson losing her seat.


What were your lows and highs?

High point.
There were 2 of them, Jo Swinson losing her seat to the SNP and Chucky egg Umunna's political career in tatters.

Low point.
Caroline Flint losing her seat, one of Labour's better MP's me thinks, but even she was turning to the dark side at times.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by FeatsOfStrength

Labour, Conservatives, Brexit or No-Brexit there doesn't seem to be anyone doing anything serious about the issue of British assets being sold wholesale to China. It's treated as though they are some free-market foreign venture capitalist investors, who consider the UK to be a "good investment", when in reality any money spent on foreign assets by Chinese businesses is more to do with securing the geo-political goals of the Politburo than to wanting to invest in our country in good faith. They don't spend a penny without taking their long-term totalitarian strategy into account, and it's not aimed at promoting Freedom & Liberal Democracy.

After Brexit I imagine this issue will only get worse, not that it's not an issue within the EU already, but at least there was some protection in being a part of a unified block. I don't see Brexit as "Independence" I see it as opening the door to more acrid foreign influence, that to some extent EU regulations (often touted as being red tape regarding bendy bananas) protected us from.

No one thinks long term any more, all the politics in our country provide are empty promises and short term returns.

Wait until the Americans start to pull you over the table. The lil boy in the White House already sits in the starting block.
Not as if I do not think the Brits could not realise and prevent it. Its just whether the government even wants it, spoiling some of its already sold illusions that way. The US has the longer lever here. Britain may need to learn to say No to the costs for their "special relationship".


Wanting less, managing own ressources moderately. Low tax regime to rival the high taxing schemes of the EU. Finding allies outside the circle of the usual suspects, I would hint at India, as one example. And resosting to get closely bound again to the EU by any EU special trade deal" that binds the UK to tight EU regulations once again.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

Wait until the Americans start to pull you over the table. The lil boy in the White House already sits in the starting block.
Not as if I do not think the Brits could not realise and prevent it. Its just whether the government even wants it, spoiling some of its already sold illusions that way. The US has the longer lever here. Britain may need to learn to say No to the costs for their "special relationship".


Wanting less, managing own ressources moderately. Low tax regime to rival the high taxing schemes of the EU. Finding allies outside the circle of the usual suspects, I would hint at India, as one example. And resosting to get closely bound again to the EU by any EU special trade deal" that binds the UK to tight EU regulations once again.

I admit that is one of my concerns but Boris now has a substantial majority and is safe in the knowledge he has the support of the majority of the UK population, for now anyway.

[Jimbuna]

Jeremy Corbyn says he did "everything he could" to get Labour into power and will not "walk away" until another leader is elected.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50784811

You most certainly did and a sizeable majority of the UK population are extremely grateful for your efforts

[Jimbuna]

Nicola Sturgeon says Boris Johnson has "no right" to stand in the way of another Scottish independence referendum after an "overwhelming" SNP election victory.

Scotland's first minister said the result "renews, reinforces and strengthens" the mandate for Indyref2.

During the campaign, the prime minister said he would reject any request to hold an independence referendum.

But Ms Sturgeon said it was "the right of the people of Scotland".
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/election-2019-50779724

No flies on Nicola, she is quick off the mark to start what will most probably be the next political hot potato.

I'll say this right from the off....give her the referendum she wants so much but not until she agrees to two conditions...
1) You need to find an alternative currency to the pound sterling because that is underwritten by the Bank of England.
2) You pre-agree what percentage of the national debt you would take with you.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Jimbuna

I'll say this right from the off....give her the referendum she wants so much but not until she agrees to two conditions...
1) You need to find an alternative currency to the pound sterling because that is underwritten by the Bank of England.
2) You pre-agree what percentage of the national debt you would take with you.

3. You will self-maintain your economy and currecny and community needs.
4. You wil ask EU for membership only if you prove to be a net contributor , not another hungry mouth at the table that the few of us have to feed and have to endlessly pay for.


You are not a sovereign nation if you depend on others for your mere survival.


If these conditions are met, I'm fine with whatever the Scots want. I am just not willing to pay for their wishes. But they are free to find ways how they could pay for their wishes themselves.

[August]

Yeah that's right, because good results have always come from following the advice of a German! .

Seriously congratulations to the UK. I wish nothing but the best for your nation and your people.

[Jimbuna]

Originally Posted by Skybird

4. You wil ask EU for membership only if you prove to be a net contributor , not another hungry mouth at the table that the few of us have to feed and have to endlessly pay for.

I think they would then say they are being discriminated against on the grounds there are already quite a few members who are not net payers