Immersive techniques for the true subsimmer! - Page 8

bstanko6 · 09-14-19, 03:53 AM

Can’t remember the source, but I remember seeing it on a periscope diagram. For the life of me, I can’t remember it.

derstosstrupp · 09-14-19, 05:43 AM

Per Hitman’s research it seems the Germans dropped the stadimeter with integrated RAOBF early in the war in favor of binocular optics. The thinking I guess was that the added spatial awareness made up for it. So the
C/2 Standsehrohr attack scope (ie the one we all know and love) did NOT have that feature.

Some details here: http://www.tvre.org/en/aiming-with-the-periscope

See especially drawing 16.

Tonci87 · 09-15-19, 02:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WildBlueYonder

Since we are on the topic of historical accuracy, does anyone know if the RAOBF actually existed on WW2 German submarines? I would not want to use it if that wasn't the case.

Simple answer, some boats had it, some didn´t, but they did seem to stop supplying new boats with the device as the war went on.

bstanko6 · 09-16-19, 03:10 PM

There was one in Das Boot, you can just make it out during the DD duel! The old man is looking up to see the bearing, and I think his left hand was adjusting the RAOBF.

pharos · 09-30-19, 10:02 AM

Red, right, returning ... everywhere?

You have just discovered IALA System "A" buoyage. Everywhere in the world except the USA and places that the USA has influenced, like Japan, Korea and the Philippines, have the green buoys to starboard as you proceed with the flood tide.

As you are heading into a port then the tide floods towards the port so you pass red buoys on your port side

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Tonci87 · 10-16-19, 03:36 PM

So, here I am showing a surface attack at night. Surface attacks at night were actually the most common method of attack, at least during the first years when radar was not yet common.
You will notice that you can get quite close to a destroyer that has not been alarmed if it is sufficiently dark

bstanko6 · 12-11-19, 03:43 PM

Awesome vid! Just seeing this now!

Tonci87 · 12-11-19, 04:16 PM

You should also take a look at the newest video.

What do we do when destroyers start to have radar?

Stay submerged!

Tonci87 · 01-27-20, 05:45 PM

I have just released a Video showing how to use the historical Ausdampfverfahren

It helps to hit the target without measuring speed or AOB.
Good for beginners and experienced Kaleuns alike.

Enjoy

derstosstrupp · 01-27-20, 08:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tonci87

I have just released a Video showing how to use the historical Ausdampfverfahren

It helps to hit the target without measuring speed or AOB.
Good for beginners and experienced Kaleuns alike.

Enjoy

Excellent! Always good to see Ausdampfen used. I live and die by this method, albeit for determining target speed while surfaced (ownspeed x sin(bearing) / sin(AOB)). But yeah this as a shooting method is also top notch!

Been getting back to reading KTBs to help me with my Wolfpack campaign and man does Ausdampfen show up a lot. “Fahrt ausgedampft”, “Schussunterlagen durch Ausdampfen” etc etc.

Just read one from Prien where they got the speed wrong due to “wrong engine setting used in Ausdampfen calculation due to intercom transmitter failure”.

Tonci87 · 01-27-20, 08:59 PM

Yeah, the more I read up on this stuff, the more surprised I am that so much was simply done by Ausdampfen or by just estimation.

derstosstrupp · 01-27-20, 09:27 PM

I did videos on Ausdampf- and Auswanderungsverfahren for SH3 years ago but yours is much better quality (it was before I knew what I was doing recording). This captures the spirit of “working with imperfect information” that pretty much defines my approach to targeting. Ditch the rec manual!

John Pancoast · 01-27-20, 09:42 PM

Yeah, I just plot their course and head for the 90 degree approach of that course line. Range is not relevant then.

Speed estimate mostly by shadowing at same speed, but after awhile one gets good enough at eyeballing it too.

Big believer in the KISS principle <g>, especially once airpower, radar, etc. come into play.

09-14-19, 03:53 AM	#106
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09-14-19, 05:43 AM	#107
derstosstrupp Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 918 Downloads: 490 Uploads: 0	Per Hitman’s research it seems the Germans dropped the stadimeter with integrated RAOBF early in the war in favor of binocular optics. The thinking I guess was that the added spatial awareness made up for it. So the C/2 Standsehrohr attack scope (ie the one we all know and love) did NOT have that feature. Some details here: http://www.tvre.org/en/aiming-with-the-periscope See especially drawing 16. __________________ Ask me anything about the Type VII or IX! One-Stop Targeting Shop: https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...WwBt-1vjW28JbO My YT Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIJ...9FXbD3S2kgwdPQ

09-16-19, 03:10 PM	#109
bstanko6 Admiral Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Murwik Naval Academy Posts: 2,130 Downloads: 390 Uploads: 13	There was one in Das Boot, you can just make it out during the DD duel! The old man is looking up to see the bearing, and I think his left hand was adjusting the RAOBF. __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] BSTANKO6'S SH5 NAVAL ACADEMY http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPbe...W2NArCA/videos DISCORD https://discord.gg/6tFeTSUmVc

09-30-19, 10:02 AM	#110
pharos Swabbie Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: So Pac Posts: 5 Downloads: 366 Uploads: 0	Correct side for passing buoys Red, right, returning ... everywhere? You have just discovered IALA System "A" buoyage. Everywhere in the world except the USA and places that the USA has influenced, like Japan, Korea and the Philippines, have the green buoys to starboard as you proceed with the flood tide. As you are heading into a port then the tide floods towards the port so you pass red buoys on your port side

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10-16-19, 03:36 PM	#113
Tonci87 Samurai Navy Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 574 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	So, here I am showing a surface attack at night. Surface attacks at night were actually the most common method of attack, at least during the first years when radar was not yet common. You will notice that you can get quite close to a destroyer that has not been alarmed if it is sufficiently dark __________________ How to use the RAOBF to measure speed, range and AOB, and then use the Attack Disc to set up a perfect 90° attack. Your diveplane controllers are killing you! Das Brot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Irs1NOMJVfg

12-11-19, 03:43 PM	#114
bstanko6 Admiral Join Date: Feb 2015 Location: Murwik Naval Academy Posts: 2,130 Downloads: 390 Uploads: 13	Awesome vid! Just seeing this now! __________________ [SIGPIC][/SIGPIC] BSTANKO6'S SH5 NAVAL ACADEMY http://www.youtube.com/channel/UCPbe...W2NArCA/videos DISCORD https://discord.gg/6tFeTSUmVc

12-11-19, 04:16 PM	#115
Tonci87 Samurai Navy Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 574 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	You should also take a look at the newest video. What do we do when destroyers start to have radar? Stay submerged! __________________ How to use the RAOBF to measure speed, range and AOB, and then use the Attack Disc to set up a perfect 90° attack. Your diveplane controllers are killing you! Das Brot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Irs1NOMJVfg

01-27-20, 05:45 PM	#116
Tonci87 Samurai Navy Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 574 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	I have just released a Video showing how to use the historical Ausdampfverfahren It helps to hit the target without measuring speed or AOB. Good for beginners and experienced Kaleuns alike. Enjoy __________________ How to use the RAOBF to measure speed, range and AOB, and then use the Attack Disc to set up a perfect 90° attack. Your diveplane controllers are killing you! Das Brot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Irs1NOMJVfg

01-27-20, 08:59 PM	#118
Tonci87 Samurai Navy Join Date: Jun 2012 Posts: 574 Downloads: 119 Uploads: 0	Yeah, the more I read up on this stuff, the more surprised I am that so much was simply done by Ausdampfen or by just estimation. __________________ How to use the RAOBF to measure speed, range and AOB, and then use the Attack Disc to set up a perfect 90° attack. Your diveplane controllers are killing you! Das Brot https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Irs1NOMJVfg

01-27-20, 09:27 PM	#119
derstosstrupp Grey Wolf Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 918 Downloads: 490 Uploads: 0	I did videos on Ausdampf- and Auswanderungsverfahren for SH3 years ago but yours is much better quality (it was before I knew what I was doing recording). This captures the spirit of “working with imperfect information” that pretty much defines my approach to targeting. Ditch the rec manual! __________________ Ask me anything about the Type VII or IX! One-Stop Targeting Shop: https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...WwBt-1vjW28JbO My YT Channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCIJ...9FXbD3S2kgwdPQ

01-27-20, 09:42 PM	#120
John Pancoast Ocean Warrior Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Minnysoda Posts: 3,211 Downloads: 501 Uploads: 4	Yeah, I just plot their course and head for the 90 degree approach of that course line. Range is not relevant then. Speed estimate mostly by shadowing at same speed, but after awhile one gets good enough at eyeballing it too. Big believer in the KISS principle <g>, especially once airpower, radar, etc. come into play. __________________ "Realistic" is not always GAME-GOOD." - Wave Skipper