Jim Jefferies - Gun Control

Originally Posted by Betonov

Great, you angered a German.

See you in 4 weeks, I need to go weld some antitank traps and barricades along the northern border

Save yourself the hassle, we'll just drive around it like we did in the past

Originally Posted by DJ Kelley

I made a huge mistake by arguing with a bunch of liberals

No, you made the mistake to expect anyone to take you serious.

[Oberon]

[Buddahaid]

News for you. I lean to the liberal side and I like my guns too. Don't implode.

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

No, you made the mistake to expect anyone to take you serious.

That's not fair.
I took him seriously until I read the rubbish he consistently wrote.
It was only at the point where the rubbish had accumulated to a huge pile which grew with every post that I realised he could not be taken seriously at all.

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by Nippelspanner

Save yourself the hassle, we'll just drive around it like we did in the past

Well, you should have just drove trough and past

Then I wouldn't have to listen to stories about these two guys everytime I meet someone over 70

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by DJ Kelley

So the point that I am getting at, is if a person reaches a point where they are going to commit suicide, gun or no gun they are going to do it. There are multiple levels of a person reaching a point of suicide and by the time they reach the last step, there just going to do it however they can. So if we want to stop suicide, then we need to outlaw guns, knives, razor blades, all other sharp objects, ropes, extension cords, any cord that is longer than 2 feet, chairs & stools, sleeping pills, aspirin, pain killers, all house hold cleaning agents, and my personal favorite, we must maintain a constant watch on everyone to make sure they drink enough water.

Now on to accidental death. Yes it is well known that people accidentally shoot themselves every year, or are shot by a friend who was not being safe. I also have personal experience in this, as someone I know vary closely shot and killed his best friend when he was only a teen. It was a complete accident, but it still happened and that person still suffers from alcoholism to this day. However, I also know of a man who watched as his brother and son where electrocuted after there tractor puling a farm implement struck a power line, so I guess we should outlaw farm equipment, and power lines too.

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I would add high ledges, and stairways to that list and shoe laces.

You do understand that there are plenty of conservatives on this site right? There are lots of members with varying political points of view. The difference between yourself and the others is that you provide weak arguments for your opinions. Part of GT is when you do this you are going to draw attention towards yourself and pretty quickly few members are going to take you seriously.


For example you said "Arguing with Liberals is like beating a dead horse.

I think I would have more luck yelling at one of the walls in my home, and getting it to move on its own."

Yet this is exactly what you have been doing in this thread and some other threads. Like I said there is a popular protocol of discourse used in GT usually it works fairly well if you refuse to follow it you'll not enjoy GT very much.

Maybe this will help
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[MH]

Now last but not least. This will be the hardest for you liberals, and one admitted socialist to believe. So I will give you fair warning. This is a hypothetical situation that involves the Government failing. I know, the Government never fails, and is basically (ah I caught myself that time). The Government is not mother nature though, so I'm not sure what you would consider it. They never fail, we will just leave it at that.

Actually this is good argument just as theoretical ability to defend against potential tyranny or principal right to self defense.
Just don't bring the statistics about the gun culture decreasing crime and so on....

[TarJak]

@DJK So you still like guns then? How about comedy and humour?

As to calling me a liberal, you do understand that in Australia the Liberals are the right-wing conservative party over here and yet were the government that introduced the Australian gun control legislation don't you? Life is full of complexity isn't it.

[Stealhead]

I assume not as a person might laugh while eating a ham sandwich and choke because chairs are banned they will be unable to perform the self applied Heimlich due to the banning of chairs.

Oh maybe not seems someone has already thought of this eventuality

[Betonov]

Originally Posted by TarJak

As to calling me a liberal, you do understand that in Australia the Liberals are the right-wing conservative party over here and yet were the government that introduced the Australian gun control legislation don't you? Life is full of complexity isn't it.

Land down under eh ?? Now you'll tell me that your clocks go counterclockwise

[TarJak]

Originally Posted by Betonov

Land down under eh ?? Now you'll tell me that your clocks go counterclockwise

Nah we went digital ages ago. Noone down here could work out what the hands on the clock meant.

[Buddahaid]

That's because all the clocks were underhanded.

[TarJak]

Don't be down on our underhanded clocks.

[Stealhead]

So you completely skipped the old flip clocks?

Originally Posted by Stealhead

I would add high ledges, and stairways to that list and shoe laces.

You do understand that there are plenty of conservatives on this site right? There are lots of members with varying political points of view. The difference between yourself and the others is that you provide weak arguments for your opinions. Part of GT is when you do this you are going to draw attention towards yourself and pretty quickly few members are going to take you seriously.


For example you said "Arguing with Liberals is like beating a dead horse.

I think I would have more luck yelling at one of the walls in my home, and getting it to move on its own."

Yet this is exactly what you have been doing in this thread and some other threads. Like I said there is a popular protocol of discourse used in GT usually it works fairly well if you refuse to follow it you'll not enjoy GT very much.

There may be conservatives on this site, that I will not deny as I don't know anyone on this site, but from what I have read (which is the only evidence) a majority are definitley liberal.

It's not that the arguments are weak. It is the fact that the arguments are presented in a different fashion, and to Liberals they would appear to be weak. There are many ways to present an argument, but the 2 at conflict in this particular case are books verse logic. I tend to lean towards using logic to make up my mind, and therefore present an argument based on that. It generally conflicts with Liberal view points and draws out harsh comments.

In the 4 large post that I wrote earlier today, I used extreme sarcasm as is obvious, but I also used logic. Logic and Liberalism generally collide head on like freight trains. This is because Logic follows the liberal concept all the way through and can never deny the point that there views are impossible if followed to the "T". A good example would be the age old concept, of why don't everyone just get rid of there military, and we will all live in peace. Of course Logic says, no that is impossible, as someone would attempt to conquer the World and there would be no resistance for them. Just human nature, but your probably not going to find that in a news article or a book. Why not? Because it's never been tried and likely never will be, so no research can be done.

You should take note, that when I made the statement about the beating a dead horse, I was responding to Oberon. Yet you did not mention the first post. So I did not make the first move in that case, and that was done in another thread. I will not bring up those topics as I don't want to rehash the past, or get off topic, but basically multiple post where presented and it was made to look like I was just a vary hateful person. But those post where all in response to other post, and those other post where not presented, so in a nut shell my words where taken out of context, and that led to another argument all together.

Now this particular argument started when I made the statement about Germany. For over half a century history has taught that Germany did issue strict gun control. I made the comment and I was immediately under fire. Why? Because there was another research project that was done in 2004 I think that supposedly proved this to be incorrect. Now for someone who argues based on books, they would probably except this argument. Logic on the other hand is not so easy. Logic says, why did it take so long for this history to be corrected? After so many people who lived in that time, and experienced all that stuff have passed away from natural causes. That by itself has suspicion written all over it. There was not a strong anti gun movement after WW II ended. Most soldiers in the U.S. where allowed to take there firearms with them when they went back home, because the Army had so much overstock. Even Sherman tanks where broken down, having all the guns removed and then sold to farmers as tractors. There is a strong anti gun movement now, which is another big issue for logic to get over.

Secondly logic follows the age old rule, of where there is smoke there is likely fire. So Nazi Germany is well known for the horrendous things done in concentration camps. They are well known for a vary strict command and control ideal that was so harsh, they chose to cover it up during the 1936 Olympics. Lot's of stories from people who lived there say they where ordered to do different things while the Olympics took place, and once they where over everything went back to normal. I remember reading a document about a woman who had a break down at work due to stress, and as a result they forced her to get surgery preventing her from having any children.

Other children where taken from there parents and placed in training camps, where there was mass statutory rape and lot's of teens got pregnant from none other than the instructors of the camps. So, where there is smoke there is fire. Germany did all of this, but they did not take everyone's guns as History has been told up till 2004. They took the guns away from the Jews, but did not take everyone else's guns away.

When I presented a counter argument by posting a document, the document was immediately accused of having been lying, and debunked back in 2004. Yet the article was dated 2013. Not 2014 which is now based on when I looked it up, but 2013. That is an awkward coincidence. That just led to a whole string of events. As in past topics, people started throwing names around, and started accusing me of being unintelligent. Now I did not resort to calling people names, or accusing them of lack of intelligence. But I couldn't resist. If you want to get under a Liberals skin, just present logical presentation of what they actually believe in. It gets past there illusions every time, and takes into a World they cannot stand which is the Real World.

It is vary much like College. If you want to get straight A's just pretend like you agree with them, and are allowing them to brainwash you. If you want to fail, just use Logic. Logic and college never go together either. They cannot stand it either.