SCOTUS upholds Affordable Care Act - Page 8

yubba · 07-02-12, 08:19 PM

and maybe listen to folk like this

Bubblehead1980 · 07-02-12, 09:47 PM

I have been on vacation, back today and having time to read the majority and dissenting opinions, I was ready to see what ignorance would be on the forums I frequent, both this one and group from my school.Really does amaze how ignorant people are to the long term ramifications of the precedent set by this decision.They blinded by the rhetoric of "helping people" so they are ignorant of the dangerous path of tyranny this leads us down as well as the negative effects it will have on healthcare.Costs will not be controlled, the new taxes will simply get passed along to the now mandated consumer lol, it guts 500 billion from medicare, it demands already cash strapped states to expand medicaid. Oh yea, like everything with the government, it will cost more than advertised, how will we pay for it? More debt.

Roberts certainly betrayed his country and the constitution by siding with what is nothing more than unadulterated tyranny.I respect he recognized they do not have the right to mandate the purchase under the commerce clause(it was a BS argument from day 1) but he basically handed the case to obama admin himself with his tax view, he literally pulled out of his keester, as did the admin when they used it as a secondary argument.Whether he switched it out of real conviction, to try and appear non political(which he does anyway) OR because he was blackmailed for his closeted homosexuality and switched his vote, we will probably never know, but he certainly screwed the pooch on this one.

People who have supported this, this is a real "come to jesus" moment, wake up, understand what precedent is set and join the cause of liberty, because they will infringe on your rights just as fast as they will mine or anyone else's, you are not in their club because you are a liberal Dem etc, you, to them, are a peasant, they know what is better for you than you do yourself, they do not believe in the individual.Help stop this madness, vote out Obama and every Dem in November as they are the real culprits here.

em2nought · 07-02-12, 10:14 PM

Dropping my health insurance and just going to Thailand when I need something done is looking better all the time. Maybe Florida could start a plan like that, I'd join. Maybe we'd have to buy an airliner. I'm sure it would be cheaper than the alternative.

Takeda Shingen · 07-02-12, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by yubba

Confirming that sugar cookies would have averted September 11th.

07-03-12, 02:01 AM

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both this one and group from my school

Is that the group from the law school were everyone is ignorant of the law apart from you or is it the one from the law school which is tip top and full of bright people as they only accept the best?
Damn they are the same school ain't they depending on what you are saying about them

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Let's face it: as long as hospitals must take people in need, regardless of having insurance or means to pay, the tax payer and insured patients will have to foot the bill. Maybe getting the government to mandate that people pay for the health care they demand is not such a bad thing.

Exactly.

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Dropping my health insurance and just going to Thailand when I need something done is looking better all the time.

Won't your health insurance cover that? Switch to one that does, though India is just a big a destination as Thailand is for US citizens seeking medical treatment.

Onkel Neal · 07-03-12, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by yubba

What, if they can't afford it, what about the 40 million people on foodstamps, what about the millions that are on unemployment, what about the millions that have fallen threw the cracks what about the millions of people that are homeless in this country.?????? Obama doesn't Care, all they want is too take more money out of our pockets and spend it, and god only knows where it will go and it won't go to quality heathcare look what happened to medicare and social security and by the way we are 16 trillion in debt can you say greece fire.

Boy, you're really excited about this aren't you?

I think it will be fine, social security ain't dead yet and all those millions will survive somehow. They always have. Bottom line: our society expects everyone to get health care, obviously, since hospitals cannot turn away anyone, so there needs to be a system to manage it. I'm not 100% sold Obamacare is the system we need, but it is the system we have now. I'm going in with an open mind, let's see how it works out.

And about those 40 million on food stamps, how many of those do you think own iPhones and cars?

Bilge_Rat · 07-03-12, 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Bubblehead1980

I have been on vacation, back today and having time to read the majority and dissenting opinions, I was ready to see what ignorance would be on the forums I frequent, both this one and group from my school.Really does amaze how ignorant people are to the long term ramifications of the precedent set by this decision.They blinded by the rhetoric of "helping people" so they are ignorant of the dangerous path of tyranny this leads us down as well as the negative effects it will have on healthcare.Costs will not be controlled, the new taxes will simply get passed along to the now mandated consumer lol, it guts 500 billion from medicare, it demands already cash strapped states to expand medicaid. Oh yea, like everything with the government, it will cost more than advertised, how will we pay for it? More debt.

Roberts certainly betrayed his country and the constitution by siding with what is nothing more than unadulterated tyranny.I respect he recognized they do not have the right to mandate the purchase under the commerce clause(it was a BS argument from day 1) but he basically handed the case to obama admin himself with his tax view, he literally pulled out of his keester, as did the admin when they used it as a secondary argument.Whether he switched it out of real conviction, to try and appear non political(which he does anyway) OR because he was blackmailed for his closeted homosexuality and switched his vote, we will probably never know, but he certainly screwed the pooch on this one.

People who have supported this, this is a real "come to jesus" moment, wake up, understand what precedent is set and join the cause of liberty, because they will infringe on your rights just as fast as they will mine or anyone else's, you are not in their club because you are a liberal Dem etc, you, to them, are a peasant, they know what is better for you than you do yourself, they do not believe in the individual.Help stop this madness, vote out Obama and every Dem in November as they are the real culprits here.

Ya know BH, sometimes I can't tell if you actually read what you write or if you just copy and paste from a right-wing extremist website...

AVGWarhawk · 07-03-12, 09:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Neal Stevens

Boy, you're really excited about this aren't you?

I think it will be fine, social security ain't dead yet and all those millions will survive somehow. They always have. Bottom line: our society expects everyone to get health care, obviously, since hospitals cannot turn away anyone, so there needs to be a system to manage it. I'm not 100% sold Obamacare is the system we need, but it is the system we have now. I'm going in with an open mind, let's see how it works out.

And about those 40 million on food stamps, how many of those do you think own iPhones and cars?

Some of OC is needed and great. Others not so much. Personally I'm more concerned with the SCOTUS ruling of a "tax" on this. Leaves the door open to call anything a "tax."

The food stamps Ipad/Iphone financed by tax dollars is a entirely different uncontrolled issue and thread. My head hurts just thinking about it.

nikimcbee · 07-03-12, 09:36 AM

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Originally Posted by AVGWarhawk

Some of OC is needed and great. Others not so much. Personally I'm more concerned with the SCOTUS ruling of a "tax" on this. Leaves the door open to call anything a "tax."

The food stamps Ipad/Iphone financed by tax dollars is a entirely different uncontrolled issue and thread. My head hurts just thinking about it.

A post count tax?

mookiemookie · 07-03-12, 09:40 AM

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Originally Posted by nikimcbee

A post count tax?

If that's the case, then jim is going to be working in the salt mines for the next 1000 years.

nikimcbee · 07-03-12, 09:43 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

If that's the case, then jim is going to be working in the salt mines for the next 1000 years.

That sounds like a great excercise program.

AVGWarhawk · 07-03-12, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

If that's the case, then jim is going to be working in the salt mines for the next 1000 years.

I don't know if Jim will actually be working for those 1000 years but I'm willing to bet the salt in the mine will preserve Jim for 1000 years for the archaeologists to find.

Onkel Neal · 07-03-12, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by mookiemookie

If that's the case, then jim is going to be working in the salt mines for the next 1000 years.

Sailor Steve · 07-03-12, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Bilge_Rat

Ya know BH, sometimes I can't tell if you actually read what you write or if you just copy and paste from a right-wing extremist website...

He writes his own stuff. Even right-wing extremist websites know how to use proper grammar. You are right, though. He is a right-wing extremist and can't see it.

Ducimus · 07-03-12, 11:32 AM

I have to say, i have a lot of fun watching people foam at the mouth over this health care issue. There's so much ignorance, and preconcieved notions being tossed around its amazing, even by those who claim not to be ignorant and enlightened. Partisan blinders are so much fun to watch.

I'm just going to sit here with my bag of popcorn and see how it all pans out whilst watching the wingnuts, windmills and other earthly endeavors.

07-02-12, 08:19 PM	#106
yubba Admiral Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: in a neighborhood near you Posts: 2,478 Downloads: 293 Uploads: 2	do you trust this man with your money and maybe listen to folk like this Last edited by yubba; 07-02-12 at 08:31 PM.

07-02-12, 10:14 PM	#108
em2nought Ocean Warrior Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 3,485 Downloads: 0 Uploads: 0	Dropping my health insurance and just going to Thailand when I need something done is looking better all the time. Maybe Florida could start a plan like that, I'd join. Maybe we'd have to buy an airliner. I'm sure it would be cheaper than the alternative. __________________ em2nought is ecstatic garbage!

07-02-12, 09:47 PM	#107
Bubblehead1980 Navy Seal Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: Florida USA Posts: 7,124 Downloads: 605 Uploads: 44	I have been on vacation, back today and having time to read the majority and dissenting opinions, I was ready to see what ignorance would be on the forums I frequent, both this one and group from my school.Really does amaze how ignorant people are to the long term ramifications of the precedent set by this decision.They blinded by the rhetoric of "helping people" so they are ignorant of the dangerous path of tyranny this leads us down as well as the negative effects it will have on healthcare.Costs will not be controlled, the new taxes will simply get passed along to the now mandated consumer lol, it guts 500 billion from medicare, it demands already cash strapped states to expand medicaid. Oh yea, like everything with the government, it will cost more than advertised, how will we pay for it? More debt. Roberts certainly betrayed his country and the constitution by siding with what is nothing more than unadulterated tyranny.I respect he recognized they do not have the right to mandate the purchase under the commerce clause(it was a BS argument from day 1) but he basically handed the case to obama admin himself with his tax view, he literally pulled out of his keester, as did the admin when they used it as a secondary argument.Whether he switched it out of real conviction, to try and appear non political(which he does anyway) OR because he was blackmailed for his closeted homosexuality and switched his vote, we will probably never know, but he certainly screwed the pooch on this one. People who have supported this, this is a real "come to jesus" moment, wake up, understand what precedent is set and join the cause of liberty, because they will infringe on your rights just as fast as they will mine or anyone else's, you are not in their club because you are a liberal Dem etc, you, to them, are a peasant, they know what is better for you than you do yourself, they do not believe in the individual.Help stop this madness, vote out Obama and every Dem in November as they are the real culprits here.

07-03-12, 11:32 AM	#120
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I have to say, i have a lot of fun watching people foam at the mouth over this health care issue. There's so much ignorance, and preconcieved notions being tossed around its amazing, even by those who claim not to be ignorant and enlightened. Partisan blinders are so much fun to watch. I'm just going to sit here with my bag of popcorn and see how it all pans out whilst watching the wingnuts, windmills and other earthly endeavors.