Women in combat policy to change

[August]

Oh c'mon Stealhead. A flight deck or flight line might not be the safest place in the world but how many IED's do they encounter on a daily basis? How many snipers? How many times do Navy and Air Force personnel have to sleep in a ditch, or deal with a suicide bomber?

The US Army alone has lost almost four thousand people KIA during OIF. The Navy less than 200 and the Air Force less than that. Nobody should minimize those branches contribution or value to the success of the mission but let's be serious, the ground forces are a lot more dangerous jobs by far.

A flight deck or flight line might not be the safest place in the world but how many IED's do they encounter on a daily basis? How many snipers? How many times do Navy and Air Force personnel have to sleep in a ditch, or deal with a suicide bomber?
The US Army alone has lost almost four thousand people KIA during OIF. The Navy less than 200 and the Air Force less than that.

Is that a new advertising campaign....fly or sail

[Blood_splat]

Join the Navy or Air force if you don't want to die by people who have sex with livestock. New Slogan.

[August]

Neither of which have ever won a war by themselves. Ultimately you need a Soldier or Marine to seize and hold ground.

Neither of which have ever won a war by themselves.
Ultimately you need a Soldier or Marine to seize and hold ground.

Try telling that to Iceland.

[Sailor Steve]

Originally Posted by August

The US Army alone has lost almost four thousand people KIA during OIF. The Navy less than 200 and the Air Force less than that. Nobody should minimize those branches contribution or value to the success of the mission but let's be serious, the ground forces are a lot more dangerous jobs by far.

No war since WW2 has been a real naval war. Though the riverines would disagree, Vietnam wasn't a naval war.

As for the Air Force, in what other service do the enlisted men send their officers off to do the fighting?

[Stealhead]

Originally Posted by August

Oh c'mon Stealhead. A flight deck or flight line might not be the safest place in the world but how many IED's do they encounter on a daily basis? How many snipers? How many times do Navy and Air Force personnel have to sleep in a ditch, or deal with a suicide bomber?

The US Army alone has lost almost four thousand people KIA during OIF. The Navy less than 200 and the Air Force less than that. Nobody should minimize those branches contribution or value to the success of the mission but let's be serious, the ground forces are a lot more dangerous jobs by far.

OK now you are just being very nit picky August I never said that the danger was equal by any means I was merely pointing out the CaptainMatt feelings are not completely correct.

He spoke as if the only "taxing" jobs are the direct combat ones that simply is not true and is insulting to the many jobs in the military that require alot manual labor.No matter what any direct combatant wants to say he needs the support of all the people in various jobs that allow him to do what he dose in the first place if those people where not there to support the losses would be even higher.Maybe my post did not come across that way but I was meaning to express that there many noncombat jobs that are taxing on a person.

You are it seems assuming that I am the type that gets caught up in the whole service rivalry crap well I regret to inform you that I have never been into that nonsense joking around aside I never was a believer in it.Every branch has a role to play and that is that I have a huge amount of respect for infantrymen and other front line jobs my father was infantry with the Army and served as a LRRP in Vietnam so I know from the horses mouth what it is like you do not need to tell me i find him to be more honest frankly I mentioned to him my experience with the stuck flare he was far more impressed by it than I was.

I am not exactly sure what Bloodsplat is talking about though I assume that he is referring to intelligence which is another stereotype aimed at the Army and Marines there are not so bright folks in the Air Force and Navy and very intelligent folks in the Army and Marines it just happens to be the branch that they joined in most cases something about it matched their interests.

[August]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

OK now you are just being very nit picky August I never said that the danger was equal by any means I was merely pointing out the CaptainMatt feelings are not completely correct.

He spoke as if the only "taxing" jobs are the direct combat ones that simply is not true and is insulting to the many jobs in the military that require alot manual labor.

Well Guy, if I was being nit picky then so are you. He didn't say Navy/AF jobs weren't taxing, only that Army/Marines were "very" taxing. Is he wrong?

[Ducimus]

Originally Posted by CaptainMattJ.

The Air force is a much more detached military fighting group in today's wars.

A fighter pilot doesnt have to stare down the sights of a rifle and watch the victim's head get shot off.

Originally Posted by Sailor Steve

As for the Air Force, in what other service do the enlisted men send their officers off to do the fighting?

Not everyone in the Air Force fly's, or works on a plane. For that matter, not everyone in the Air Force works from within an Air Base, nor relies on other branch's for their own security. For the most part, the broad generalizations are true, but there are a number of exceptions. The AF has a bit of an identity crises, and dabbles in areas that are more traditionally thought of as things you'd encounter in the Army.

[Takeda Shingen]

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Not everyone in the Air Force fly's, or works on a plane. For that matter, not everyone in the Air Force works from within an Air Base, nor relies on other branch's for their own security. For the most part, the broad generalizations are true, but there are a number of exceptions. The AF has a bit of an identity crises, and dabbles in areas that are more traditionally thought of as things you'd encounter in the Army.

That much I know is true. It is similar to people in the navy who do not go to sea. Takes a lot to run a military branch.

[Stealhead]

I heard once some officer say that only about 4% of the Air Force actually flies in aircraft and only about 15% work directly with aircraft in some way the rest do something else.

And yes August his is wrong because the majority people in Army and the Marines are not direct combatants and I can think of many non combat jobs that are very taxing my old job and what Ducimus did in the AF are not on easy street by any means they might not the infantry but they are very demanding jobs.You are clearly missing the pont that CaptianMatt has little understanding of how the military is structured if he thinks that all of the jobs in the Army and Marines are "very taxing" that is putting a supply clerk in the same boat as an infantryman but you obviously have an agenda so this is as far I am going to discuss the topic with you.

[August]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

but you obviously have an agenda so this is as far I am going to discuss the topic with you.

Taking your ball and running home Navy?



Well right back atcha pal.

[Stealhead]

Better to agree to disagree than get carried away right?

I'd rather be in the Navy than be a dogface.

Your worse than my old man I thought he was Army all the way he ragged me for a month when he found out I had joined the Air Force.

[August]

Originally Posted by Stealhead

Better to agree to disagree than get carried away right?

I'd rather be in the Navy than be a dogface.

[MH]

About time to turn this into pic thread:

Army...serious business...
combat women