[REL] KZS Hull Wetness for U-Boats - Page 8

09-05-11, 05:37 PM

To be exact.
IF a model (which is a Unit like the Penguin) has that special mesh that you saw?
It will get an iceing effect at the proper time.
Hex the name to something totally different and you'll never see it.
This is a perfect example of where the SH5 Engine expects proper names.

Where SH3 and SH4 used ID's, SH5 has progressed beyond just ID's for
control reasons.

kapitan_zur_see · 09-05-11, 05:40 PM

interesting... and confusing to say the least

It is indeed the only GR2 where I cross this ship_N04_ice.dds...
On second hand, is this texture list you can see in granny viewer really to be trusted? I mean, does it have any use at all other than once showing up the textures on the models when the devs were working under granny 3D? Or does it reflects textures showing up ingame? (I would think of A, as obviously it otherwise lacks some textures that are still showing ingame though)

kapitan_zur_see · 09-05-11, 05:43 PM

indeed for the mesh thingy. However, since I cannot import one for the time being...

I just don't know if that ship render thing as the ability to expect anything for an icy version of base textures however and then, what name it should have. If I could know that, then that's something I could alter

09-05-11, 05:56 PM

I use a Hex Editor called 010 by SweetScape.
It allows scanning files for anything you define.
Very nice tool!

I searched for
_ice_
that will show you what you want!!

When one presumes that GR2 files are controlled under the same conditions that Dat files are?
They are usually proven wrong time and time again.

We need to forget how dats work and wrap our minds around a totally different control process only for the GR2 format.

You must understand that the Engine is a combination of dat and GR2 controllers.
What works on dats does not work on GR2's and vice versa.
We need to develop a whole new mindset for the GR2 files.
If you don't do that?
You'll waste alot of time.

kapitan_zur_see · 09-05-11, 06:11 PM

Did that before, yeah. Only shows me some "_Ice_macara_04" etc for example at the beginning of the GR2 file where's there a list of comprehensible ascii strings. That's every nodes showing up on goblin I guess when you open up some GR2 file. That's how the meshes and dummy placeholders are named.

Still, it just seems like some headers/ titles I can't do much with, can't link them to anything inside the rest of the GR2 file where no ascii strings makes sense. You know, like being able to read their values, extrapolate some 3d coordinates and etc... Just can't link them to anything else.

kapitan_zur_see · 09-05-11, 06:24 PM

Out of curiosity, did you investigate GR2 files using stuffs from there: http://gr2decode.altervista.org/? I was going to try out some stuff there.

09-05-11, 06:36 PM

That is a dead end link Mate.
Although it can get you started?
It will lead you nowhere for SH5.

010 scans every file in a folder and sub folders for a given phrase.
It checks at a level most editors will not.

I consider it a must have in my Tool box.

kapitan_zur_see · 09-05-11, 06:58 PM

sure a very interesting function!

Doesn't help me figure out things for this matter, but may comes in handy in other times!

Jeez... I just can't decipher any links and stuffs out of those files... I remember I once was able to figure out things a bit more easily in SH4 hex editing stuffs. It was more explanatory (or maybe my memory is tricking me

)

09-05-11, 07:19 PM

The stuff at that link only help extract from or create new GR2 files that will not help us much for SH5.

Until one grasps the full works in the GR2 files and how SH5 uses that?
One will waste ALOT of time!!
I've done that since SH5 came out so I know what I am talking about.

There are a limited number of Legal Tools out there that work for SH5.
By Legal I mean Tools We have no need to fear useing.
But they have limited use if you do not understand how to use them.
There is no guide on thier useage for our needs at this time.

I am a mere few days away from solveing the final part of the problem.

kapitan_zur_see · 09-06-11, 03:45 AM

Then I shall wait and resort to you

That's great news anyway! can't wait to see what you come up with!

0rpheus · 09-06-11, 01:13 PM

Fingers crossed for you chaps!

Paco · 07-09-12, 01:53 AM

Hi,

Looks great, but I'm always getting CTD's if activated.

Greets,
Paco.

firezard · 08-01-12, 10:02 AM

Nice job and awesome!

libindi · 08-01-12, 10:23 PM

hi,is its possible to only make the hull LOOK wet?

TheBeast · 08-16-12, 10:24 PM

@ kapitan_zur_see

I am currently working on a new 3D Deck Splash FX MOD that also make use of the submarine HULL VAL files.

Would you mind if I use your WaterFilm setting so I can make a version of my mod that would be compatible with your mod?

Regards!

TheBeast

09-05-11, 05:40 PM	#107
kapitan_zur_see Commodore Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: France Posts: 614 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	interesting... and confusing to say the least It is indeed the only GR2 where I cross this ship_N04_ice.dds... On second hand, is this texture list you can see in granny viewer really to be trusted? I mean, does it have any use at all other than once showing up the textures on the models when the devs were working under granny 3D? Or does it reflects textures showing up ingame? (I would think of A, as obviously it otherwise lacks some textures that are still showing ingame though) __________________

09-05-11, 05:43 PM	#108
kapitan_zur_see Commodore Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: France Posts: 614 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	indeed for the mesh thingy. However, since I cannot import one for the time being... I just don't know if that ship render thing as the ability to expect anything for an icy version of base textures however and then, what name it should have. If I could know that, then that's something I could alter __________________

09-05-11, 06:11 PM	#110
kapitan_zur_see Commodore Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: France Posts: 614 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	Did that before, yeah. Only shows me some "_Ice_macara_04" etc for example at the beginning of the GR2 file where's there a list of comprehensible ascii strings. That's every nodes showing up on goblin I guess when you open up some GR2 file. That's how the meshes and dummy placeholders are named. Still, it just seems like some headers/ titles I can't do much with, can't link them to anything inside the rest of the GR2 file where no ascii strings makes sense. You know, like being able to read their values, extrapolate some 3d coordinates and etc... Just can't link them to anything else. __________________

09-05-11, 06:24 PM	#111
kapitan_zur_see Commodore Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: France Posts: 614 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	Out of curiosity, did you investigate GR2 files using stuffs from there: http://gr2decode.altervista.org/? I was going to try out some stuff there. __________________

09-05-11, 06:58 PM	#113
kapitan_zur_see Commodore Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: France Posts: 614 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	sure a very interesting function! Doesn't help me figure out things for this matter, but may comes in handy in other times! Jeez... I just can't decipher any links and stuffs out of those files... I remember I once was able to figure out things a bit more easily in SH4 hex editing stuffs. It was more explanatory (or maybe my memory is tricking me ) __________________

09-05-11, 05:37 PM	#106
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	To be exact. IF a model (which is a Unit like the Penguin) has that special mesh that you saw? It will get an iceing effect at the proper time. Hex the name to something totally different and you'll never see it. This is a perfect example of where the SH5 Engine expects proper names. Where SH3 and SH4 used ID's, SH5 has progressed beyond just ID's for control reasons.

09-05-11, 05:56 PM	#109
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	I use a Hex Editor called 010 by SweetScape. It allows scanning files for anything you define. Very nice tool! I searched for _ice_ that will show you what you want!! When one presumes that GR2 files are controlled under the same conditions that Dat files are? They are usually proven wrong time and time again. We need to forget how dats work and wrap our minds around a totally different control process only for the GR2 format. You must understand that the Engine is a combination of dat and GR2 controllers. What works on dats does not work on GR2's and vice versa. We need to develop a whole new mindset for the GR2 files. If you don't do that? You'll waste alot of time.

09-05-11, 06:36 PM	#112
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	That is a dead end link Mate. Although it can get you started? It will lead you nowhere for SH5. 010 scans every file in a folder and sub folders for a given phrase. It checks at a level most editors will not. I consider it a must have in my Tool box.

09-05-11, 07:19 PM	#114
Madox58 Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	The stuff at that link only help extract from or create new GR2 files that will not help us much for SH5. Until one grasps the full works in the GR2 files and how SH5 uses that? One will waste ALOT of time!! I've done that since SH5 came out so I know what I am talking about. There are a limited number of Legal Tools out there that work for SH5. By Legal I mean Tools We have no need to fear useing. But they have limited use if you do not understand how to use them. There is no guide on thier useage for our needs at this time. I am a mere few days away from solveing the final part of the problem.

09-06-11, 03:45 AM	#115
kapitan_zur_see Commodore Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: France Posts: 614 Downloads: 60 Uploads: 0	Then I shall wait and resort to you That's great news anyway! can't wait to see what you come up with! __________________

09-06-11, 01:13 PM	#116
0rpheus Grey Wolf Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: UK Posts: 857 Downloads: 87 Uploads: 3	Fingers crossed for you chaps!

07-09-12, 01:53 AM	#117
Paco Captain Join Date: May 2005 Location: Kassel, Germany Posts: 542 Downloads: 345 Uploads: 0	Hi, Looks great, but I'm always getting CTD's if activated. Greets, Paco. __________________ My SH5-Mods: - Pacos German Folklore SubEmblems Mod - Pacos Environment Sound Mod - Lite Campaign German Edition

08-01-12, 10:02 AM	#118
firezard Nub Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4 Downloads: 87 Uploads: 0	Nice job and awesome!

08-01-12, 10:23 PM	#119
libindi Watch Join Date: Sep 2008 Posts: 17 Downloads: 79 Uploads: 0	Awesome mod! hi,is its possible to only make the hull LOOK wet?

08-16-12, 10:24 PM	#120
TheBeast The Old Man Join Date: Jan 2010 Location: Lynnwood, WA Posts: 1,533 Downloads: 886 Uploads: 23	Working on a NEW MOD @ kapitan_zur_see I am currently working on a new 3D Deck Splash FX MOD that also make use of the submarine HULL VAL files. Would you mind if I use your WaterFilm setting so I can make a version of my mod that would be compatible with your mod? Regards! TheBeast __________________ Fear me! I am, TheBeastBelow SHIV-MediaFire \| SHV-MediaFire