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extermination were probably rejected by a majority of Germans. They apparently wanted to restrict Jewish rights substantially, but not to annihilate Jews.

Wrong!! It was accepted by the influence of your nationalistic party. All evidence are there. Including all non Germans in the process. I can give you an example of how Hitler minions treated war prisoners.... injection, gas, experiments... you name it. So you see, facts are facts. Nothing you can do about it .

[MH]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

Did I?

If he had most germans before he started making moves then why was he making moves as soon as he got a minority of the vote?

Because he had everyone he needed in his pocket.
The ones he did not have joined him later.

[Skybird]

Originally Posted by Dimitrius07

Sorry Skybird but you wrong! I don`t need Wikipedia to defend my position againts people who don`t like the some of the historycal facts. In deep i feel like someone is really bored here or something

You are mistaking your own emotional state with facts or argument. And if you are bored here, then why do you waste your time here!?

I participated in this thread with sober statements, ignoring emotions and sentiments, but I have undersytood that you are running on sentiments almost exclusively here. And it is not likely that any argument or reason one gives, will be met well by a mind that is on emotional rampage, so to speak. I do not know whether or not your Avatar description means you are Jewish yourself and maybe your family three generations ago became victim and suffered losses due to the genocide. If so, my condolences for that, at least it would explain your emotional arousal (but it would not excuse your lack of reason, and your tendency for maximum simplification, like tater does, too). But anyway, I certainly will not try to meet emotional arousal with reason or argument. Most of the time, I learned in this forum, that is in vein, and I feel not too tempted to switch into higher gear inside here.

But the other people still watching this thread might be interested to see whether or not you have to say something on the conclusions by Sarah Ann Gordon, although you just have indicated you wish to just ignore her thoughts because it was Wikipedia who quoted her. Blaming the messenger, maybe?

No i never used emotions especially here. I don`t know from where you came out with that conclusion.

although you just have indicated you wish to just ignore her thoughts because it was Wikipedia who quoted her.

Not sure of what exactly you talking about.
I ignoring something because it have nothing to do with current subject, no matter if it comes from Wikipedia or not. Maybe i just miss something.

[tater]

Elminationalist anti-semitism was common in germany, and Europe in general before the war. The church plays a huge role in this, too.

Making excuses that they just wanted them as dhimmi (to borrow the islamic term for what they want all non-muslims to be (except pagans and atheist who get worse)) is pretty weak.

Hitler's willing executioners is a good starting point, even if Goldhagen's writing is pretty turgid.

Constantine's Sword is also a decent read for underlying religious issues that make the Holocaust seem like a pretty logical end point (basically, every chance where the church could have picked theology that stepped away from antisemitism they made the wrong choice. The rteal turning point probably being the Spanish Inquisition where they got all kinds of conversos, then later decided that converting wasn't enough, "jewishness" was in the "blood." and conversion didn't change that. That was the start of it becoming a race issue, and not a theological issue since it was then an "indelible" trait.

Making excuses that they just wanted them as dhimmi

The only one who came up with excuses is you not me. Now you making up another story because you have nothing else to say regarding the "not so aggresive" nazi Germany. If you want to play, at least give a note that you changing the subject .

[tater]

Huh, I was responding to skybird.

Whatever you say

[CCIP]

Originally Posted by Dimitrius07

Whatever you say

Read: "I wasn't actually looking at your post, I just wanted to accuse you of being a nazi for s***s and giggles"

[tater]

The point was it's hardly a luminous defense to claim that the population only wanted jews persecuted, maybe converted, but not murdered.

Because he had everyone he needed in his pocket.

So its gone from Germans down to most Germans and now onto just the Germans he needed.
So would you like to water your initial statements down any further?

The ones he did not have joined him later.

Or as it seems would you appear to be reversing your position as you said it was only later that he didn't have them.

Originally Posted by CCIP

Read: "I wasn't actually looking at your post, I just wanted to accuse you of being a nazi for s***s and giggles"

Tell me another joke then . More original this time

Originally Posted by tater

The point was it's hardly a luminous defense to claim that the population only wanted jews persecuted, maybe converted, but not murdered.

So thats how it happend. We were converted to....Germans. According to what exactly?

[the_tyrant]

Who ever controls the past control the future, whoever controls the presant controls the past

I think(not sure) that german kids at the time were fed propaganda films about how jews are bad
its not that they are evil, its just their education

[Task Force]

Originally Posted by the_tyrant

I think(not sure) that german kids at the time were fed propaganda films about how jews are bad
its not that they are evil, its just their education

Yep, The germans used alot of propaganda to get their way, which also helped get them to want to be into the hitler youth, and in the end of the war, the children armys.