[WIP] Japanese Merchant Marine - Page 8

tater · 08-31-10, 07:32 PM

I'm using Free so far. New ships (other than those we've been given permission to use from BftB) will be in a subsequent release. I think we'd rather get it out there faster so people can enjoy sergei's work.

BTW, SS, I simply didn't "get" the story the way you told it. I imagine the jap merchant skippers filed reports (if they lived through the sub attack) that claimed they sank 10 submarines with their merchant-deployed DCs

Privateer, if you see this, any ideas? (he's pretty resourceful with novel uses of controllers).

virtualpender · 08-31-10, 08:33 PM

In case it will be useful to either Hitman or Tater, here are the Kawasaki standard-type ships (so called ADEN MARU's) from the 1942 edition of ONI 208-J.

tater · 08-31-10, 09:02 PM

Nice. My hull needs a little work, but delftship is great. It even tells me the displacement, so I know if I need to tweak it.

Sledgehammer427 · 08-31-10, 09:41 PM

are you using the Delftship demo, or did you get a full version?

very ambitious project, looks like a must have!

tater · 08-31-10, 10:29 PM

I'm using Free so far. New ships (other than those we've been given permission to use from BftB) will be in a subsequent release. I think we'd rather get it out there faster so people can enjoy sergei's work.

BTW, SS, I simply didn't "get" the story the way you told it. I imagine the jap merchant skippers filed reports (if they lived through the sub attack) that claimed they sank 10 submarines with their merchant-deployed DCs

Sailor Steve · 08-31-10, 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tater

BTW, SS, I simply didn't "get" the story the way you told it. I imagine the jap merchant skippers filed reports (if they lived through the sub attack) that claimed they sank 10 submarines with their merchant-deployed DCs

Sorry about that.

The reports I've read only indicate that depth charges were dropped. They don't even mention the hydrophones. It sounds to me like you don't have a copy of the Wartime Convoy Records. If you want one, PM me with your email address.

tater · 09-01-10, 01:09 AM

No I have them.

They did just dump them over the side, they were not aimed. My point was that in general, the japanese grossly overestimated the effect of ANY attack (presumably even if unaimed).

Heck, they sank Lexington 3-4 times!

So merchants had hydrophones, but when a ship was hit it would be a "mad minute" where they'd all throw some DCs over the side (which cannot have helped detection any for nearby escorts, lol).

Hitman · 09-01-10, 01:29 AM

Thanks Virtualpender, it certainly does help as one of he aerial photos reveals a detail I was looking for

Sledgehammer427 · 09-01-10, 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tater

My point was that in general, the japanese grossly overestimated the effect of ANY attack (presumably even if unaimed).

Heck, they sank Lexington 3-4 times!

I was at the USS Intrepid the other day and I looked at the killboard, they apparently sank 4 Yamato-class battleships.

tater · 09-01-10, 12:10 PM

I had thought that merchants sounded collision alarms when someone was attacked, but perhaps it is just the DDs.

Type 0-4 units will fire star shells, AND use DCs. They detect a sub, then shoot the star shells, and move to attack. Merchants can carry hydrophones, etc, but cannot attack (nor can warships of type>4, even though in the case of the IJN virtually all were armed with DCs).

Wonder if there is a way to set up a hydrophone that drops DCs? Sort of like an active pinging, only it hears anything, then dumps some DCs...

Hitman · 09-01-10, 02:08 PM

Well ... Aden Maru is taking shape

, but you better get someone that can retexture it, as I have done some really freaking modelling

Uploaded with ImageShack.us

sergei · 09-01-10, 02:23 PM

Looking good Hitman.

keltos01 · 09-01-10, 02:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hitman

Well ... Aden Maru is taking shape

, but you better get someone that can retexture it, as I have done some really freaking modelling

Uploaded with ImageShack.us

it's easier if you add details nodes in s3d with parts of the ship like the cranes etc.. which can then allow for a separate texture/AO map than having it all in one piece.

looks really good btw !

keltos

tater · 09-01-10, 02:54 PM

Nice.

virtualpender · 09-01-10, 02:55 PM

How in the world did you do that so quickly, Hitman?

Wow.

She looks really good. If you are open to comment, I believe the intakes amidships are a little too tall. I think they should be just slightly higher than the bridge. Also, I think the bow could be just a bit more vertical and less raked. Or you could just leave her exactly as is and she would be fantastic!

Very nice work!

08-31-10, 07:32 PM	#106
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I'm using Free so far. New ships (other than those we've been given permission to use from BftB) will be in a subsequent release. I think we'd rather get it out there faster so people can enjoy sergei's work. BTW, SS, I simply didn't "get" the story the way you told it. I imagine the jap merchant skippers filed reports (if they lived through the sub attack) that claimed they sank 10 submarines with their merchant-deployed DCs Privateer, if you see this, any ideas? (he's pretty resourceful with novel uses of controllers). Last edited by tater; 08-31-10 at 10:48 PM.

08-31-10, 09:41 PM	#109
Sledgehammer427 PacWagon Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Drinking coffee and staring at trees in Massachusetts Posts: 2,901 Downloads: 280 Uploads: 0	are you using the Delftship demo, or did you get a full version? very ambitious project, looks like a must have! __________________ Cold Waters Voice Crew - Fire Control Officer Cmdr O. Myers - C/O USS Nautilus (SS-168) 114,000 tons sunk - 4 Spec Ops completed V-boat Nutcase - Need supplies? Japanese garrison on a small island in the way? Just give us a call! D4C!

08-31-10, 10:29 PM	#110
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I'm using Free so far. New ships (other than those we've been given permission to use from BftB) will be in a subsequent release. I think we'd rather get it out there faster so people can enjoy sergei's work. BTW, SS, I simply didn't "get" the story the way you told it. I imagine the jap merchant skippers filed reports (if they lived through the sub attack) that claimed they sank 10 submarines with their merchant-deployed DCs Last edited by tater; 08-31-10 at 10:45 PM.

09-01-10, 01:29 AM	#113
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,099 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	Thanks Virtualpender, it certainly does help as one of he aerial photos reveals a detail I was looking for __________________ One day I will return to sea ...

09-01-10, 02:08 PM	#116
Hitman Pacific Aces Dev Team Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Spain Posts: 6,099 Downloads: 109 Uploads: 2	Well ... Aden Maru is taking shape , but you better get someone that can retexture it, as I have done some really freaking modelling Uploaded with ImageShack.us __________________ One day I will return to sea ...

08-31-10, 08:33 PM	#107
virtualpender Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 381 Downloads: 281 Uploads: 0	In case it will be useful to either Hitman or Tater, here are the Kawasaki standard-type ships (so called ADEN MARU's) from the 1942 edition of ONI 208-J.

08-31-10, 09:02 PM	#108
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Nice. My hull needs a little work, but delftship is great. It even tells me the displacement, so I know if I need to tweak it.

09-01-10, 01:09 AM	#112
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	No I have them. They did just dump them over the side, they were not aimed. My point was that in general, the japanese grossly overestimated the effect of ANY attack (presumably even if unaimed). Heck, they sank Lexington 3-4 times! So merchants had hydrophones, but when a ship was hit it would be a "mad minute" where they'd all throw some DCs over the side (which cannot have helped detection any for nearby escorts, lol).

09-01-10, 12:10 PM	#115
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	I had thought that merchants sounded collision alarms when someone was attacked, but perhaps it is just the DDs. Type 0-4 units will fire star shells, AND use DCs. They detect a sub, then shoot the star shells, and move to attack. Merchants can carry hydrophones, etc, but cannot attack (nor can warships of type>4, even though in the case of the IJN virtually all were armed with DCs). Wonder if there is a way to set up a hydrophone that drops DCs? Sort of like an active pinging, only it hears anything, then dumps some DCs...

09-01-10, 02:23 PM	#117
sergei Sea Lord Join Date: May 2008 Location: London UK Posts: 1,788 Downloads: 405 Uploads: 29	Looking good Hitman.

09-01-10, 02:54 PM	#119
tater Navy Seal Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: New Mexico, USA Posts: 9,023 Downloads: 8 Uploads: 2	Nice.

09-01-10, 02:55 PM	#120
virtualpender Sonar Guy Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 381 Downloads: 281 Uploads: 0	How in the world did you do that so quickly, Hitman? Wow. She looks really good. If you are open to comment, I believe the intakes amidships are a little too tall. I think they should be just slightly higher than the bridge. Also, I think the bow could be just a bit more vertical and less raked. Or you could just leave her exactly as is and she would be fantastic! Very nice work!