What does elenaiba say...

[urfisch]

...to all this critiscm? I recently bought it due to modding wants. Havent played it yet, but i read all this negative vibes from objective members here...who havent complained about the game before and are now deeply upset with it.

I thought about, what do you think on all this? As a man.

Originally Posted by urfisch

...to all this critiscm? I recently bought it due to modding wants. Havent played it yet, but i read all this negative vibes from objective members here...who havent complained about the game before and are now deeply upset with it.

I thought about, what do you think on all this? As a man.

Don't expect a straight answer, don't be naive ...

[Sonarman]

He would probably say that his nickname is spelled elanaiba not elenaiba! But he's probably too busy fixing things to say anything right now.

Originally Posted by Sonarman

He would probably say that his nickname is spelled elanaiba not elenaiba! But he's probably too busy fixing things to say anything right now.

Yes, I bet he is very busy right now working ... Actually, right about now he is very busy trying to convince people that the DRM is still alive. This is his major problem now, his number on epriority now, on "DRM has failed" thread:
"That is not a full crack, the game won't work as intended." elenaiba
Defending the nest, the hands that feeds you principles ...

[Tomi_099]

I think he says it's all a matter of time and money, and the time did not!

Originally Posted by Tomi_099

I think he says it's all a matter of time and money, and the time did not!

Every time I see The Grey Wolves related images I realize again who are the ones that deserves praise and respect.

[MGR1]

Although I haven't bought SH5, I think that, generally, people need to be very, very careful how they phrase things when criticizing/offering feedback.

Yes, it does seem that, like SH4, SH5 is another unfinished game, for various reasons.

Yes, people are going to have their hopes raised and then dashed because X, Y and Z aren't in the game or have been poorly implemented.

Yes, people are going to vent their frustration.

Constant negative "vibes" are going to be counterproductive.

Keep doing this and elanaiba and the other devs are going to develop a "seige mentality", if they haven't already developed one!

A lot of what seems to have occured with SH5 (and this is my own view) is due to time. The devs probably pitched the new features to the publishers, but either weren't given a realistic time schedule, or something happened during the developement phase - something must have taken longer than planned. This put other things behind, which has had an impact on the game as released.

Perhaps, the beta-testers are too close to the design process to give cold, hard constructive feedback to give the devs an impartial view of a game they have been working with near constantly.

If you are doing that, as in being so close you "can't see the wood for the trees" and can't take a step back and view utterly impartially, of course things are going to be missed. Perhaps a lack of fresh eyes ,as it were, hampers tha design process?

Who knows.

Either way, it's clear that, as it currently stands, the game ain't that good. Hopefully, patches and mods will go a long way to fixing things, but we'll see if SH5 survives the negativity.

So the moral is, be careful how you say things. Think long and hard before hitting the keyboard!

Just a thought,

Mike.

[jwilliams]

I would say that he is here to read feed back and to read what problems we are having with the game.

He's not here to be insulted and flamed.

And the fact that he is here at all. Shows that he cares about this game and about subsim member.

[urfisch]

ubi is responsable...not the devs. cause the devs could say anything they want...if ubi doesnt take it, it cant be progressed. simply that way. i didnt think it was the devs idea to make the game like that...and if so, it was the project leader, who decided. but i think it was an order from ubi hq, to make things like they are now...also the tight timeline. ubi needed to release the game for better finance data for the 1st quarter 2010...and still use the bad weather to sell the game better. if they waited til april or may...the sun would have decreased the selling.

this is the way it goes...

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by urfisch

...to all this critiscm? I recently bought it due to modding wants. Havent played it yet, but i read all this negative vibes from objective members here...who havent complained about the game before and are now deeply upset with it.

I thought about, what do you think on all this? As a man.

Who/where are these objective members who are so upset? apart from GRs well written assesment Ive not seen anyone really upset with it.
If anything there was much more negativity here before it got released.

Most who have played it voted it as being a good game but in need of work.
And I think Dan could use a little break no?

[IanC]

Originally Posted by JU_88

Who/where are these objective members who are so upset? apart from GRs well written assesment Ive not seen anyone really upset with it.
If anything there was much more negativity here before it got released.

Most who have played it voted it as being a good game but in need of work.
And I think Dan could use a little break no?

Umm... are you reading the same threads I am?

[JU_88]

Originally Posted by IanC

Umm... are you reading the same threads I am?

I guess not , been too busy with my new born child these past few days , have only had chance to catch up now, is it really that bad?

[Méo]

Originally Posted by JU_88

I guess not , been too busy with my new born child these past few days , have only had chance to catch up now, is it really that bad?

Congrats!

Originally Posted by JU_88

is it really that bad?

Of course people had a very high expectations, SH5 is still unfinished...
But when I compare to both SH4 and SH3 on release, then it's not that bad, I would even say it's a bit better.

Of course there's a lot of hysteria...

[elanaiba]

Originally Posted by urfisch

...to all this critiscm? I recently bought it due to modding wants. Havent played it yet, but i read all this negative vibes from objective members here...who havent complained about the game before and are now deeply upset with it.

I thought about, what do you think on all this? As a man.

Well, I cannot post everything that I could say, indeed. But still:

Negative Feedback received about Silent Hunter generally fits into the following categories:

A - wrong expectations (some thing are just not in the scope of sh5)
B - legitimate concerns about bugs and unfinished features - Most are NOT news to me, since I have a list bigger than the forum. Trust me, you cannot match my expectations - but then again, the same could be said by most of the serious, passionate game developers out there.
C - legitimate concerns about some design choices - like for example the interface. Part of these I can understand, but I am not that concerned since most can be fixed easily by modding. Getting a SH4 style interface back in the game is very easy.

As I was saying in another thread, I have no reservations that WITH TIME (equal patches + mods) this will be THE ONLY SUBSIM TO PLAY. Calling this game arcade is wrong, its no more arcade than SH3 or 4. Calling this an RPG is partly wrong, is simply as simulation as the games before but with an extra layer of RPG like crew development.

I am not at all happy with the current state of the RPG parts (long story) but:
a) nobody is forcing people to use them
b) they can be modded into something more realistic

I will stand by the concept of the RPG parts any day, because I have read enough books to understand that some things that happen in war are simply not justified by technical specifications and field manuals. At some point the man is the one that matters the most.

Before I close this down, I have two more things to say:

1) Ubisoft is a company, of which Ubisoft Romania is a part. Please stop separating the two. Not everything that is good is our merit, not everything that is bad is "the suits" fault. I, of all people, have my parts in the failures of SH5. The people "high up" could have simply decided not to do another SH, just as you guys can choose not to buy.

2) Please stop trying to create a war / antagonism between modders and devs, we need each other.

So, for my final statement of the day, NO, I am not happy with the state of SH5. Of course, except for SH3 - which was not perfect either - I have never been happy with the release of any of my projects.

I have much trust in the potential of SH5, but I am not a fortune teller. Did I quit my job after the launch? No. Am I not a man? I wonder.

People might not buy the game, miss on fun, and not suffer any problems that the game has at the moment. But for the guys that did invest their trust in us, I'd say they need us here.

Yes, Gunnodayak, it took me time to write this long answer, and I waited for the lunchbreak in order not to disturb my current work assignments.

[urfisch]

this is an answer, as i exspected.



i appreciate your honesty, very much!!! thanks a lot for this answer. i really trust in your efforts, dan. we never met, but to the last subsim meetings...i heard youre really nice guy. i believe in that. please stay in close contact to the community here.



as we need to mod the game...is there any manual coming, concerning the mod tools? i bought it, although i first didnt wanted to. but i see the potential of this game...and i want to mod it. but we modders need some more explaination on the tools.