Deceased Crew Members / How will crew deaths be simulated? (threads merged)

Lord Justice · 11-17-09, 10:05 PM

havent played sh3 for quite some time, but i recall bury crew at sea question. just curious to know what mixed reactions ie choice one would do if implemented in sh5.?? forgive me if this has already been posted!! (1st lets forget proper procedure if i may) fling the rule book away for a moment, we all know its a serious sim and such it should remain, but would love your input on this. In sh3 i sent deceased crew members to the bottom if KIA at start , mid patrol, but near end i popped them into aft torpedo room, returning them to loved ones on home soil lol. now i know we have first person mode and can visit all sub rooms, plus torpedo storage and all, call me morbid if you may but what would you do??? and if this option were to be in sh5, would storing corpse of crew members have an effect on morale?? positive and negative? if bury at sea, would it be a simple disaperence of said crew member? or some kind of object on the nav map floating or sinking perhaps. ie corpse, flag, symbol, etc. iam not in any way endorsing this to be included into the sim as so many have such strong objections, guess iam after opinions. As captain of your vessel,

bury at sea ? or take home to family!! ???

Ducimus · 11-17-09, 10:08 PM

I think your reading into a video game too much.

Ilpalazzo · 11-17-09, 10:12 PM

Shark food minigame.

Lord Justice · 11-17-09, 10:16 PM

lol u think?? sh3 came up with the basic idea, whats wrong with colder torpedo tube? having said that yes we all tend to get deep in this forum, but i do like your view albeit somewhat vague.

11-17-09, 10:23 PM

body overboard asap or if not then out the torpedo tube but off the boat they go.

this is ww2 and theres no morgue with freezers onboard

simsurfer · 11-17-09, 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by 4Para

call me morbid if you may but what would you do??? and if this option were to be in sh5, would storing corpse of crew members have an effect on morale?? positive and negative?

Have you ever smelled a body that has been dead for a couple of days, even at room temp?

I didnt think so.

Effect on crew moral? You Must be joking.

Ducimus · 11-17-09, 10:21 PM

The sight of a comrade in arms getting mangled alone is enough to hurt moral. Seeing blood so thick pouring out of a persons head like someone pulled the drain plug from an oil pan alone is enough to hurt moral. Or seeing a huge, thick blood pool dry, and crack like a bucket of paint. Yeah, try and wash that off, blood stains like a sonofabitch. All that would hurt moral, Let alone the stench of a dead body.

Again, this is just a video game. Some folks want to take this "immersion" thing a little bit too far.

Lord Justice · 11-17-09, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Ducimus

Again, this is just a video game. Some folks want to take this "immersion" thing a little bit too far.

lol and what about the some folks that want to see saucer eyes of pure fear during depth charges, bodies being ripped apart on life rafts by gung ho AA gunners!! calm yourself man read the thread i said i do not endorse this idea but would love input, and well thats what this thread sure gettin but its a y or no question iam not putting arms and limbs on floor for all to see lol

Ducimus · 11-17-09, 10:55 PM

I am calm. Takes a bit more then this silly topic to get my dander up. I was only illustrating how stupid i thought the topic was, only i was being nice about it.

But since you want input on it, here's my unvarnished input.

Stuff like this, is the bane of a simulation. Your original post is the posterchild of eyecandy over gameplay. I run into this crap all the time as a modder. People putting eyecandy over gameplay. To such a degree they want eyecandy, they'll break gameplay functionality that took days, weeks or months to get right, just for the sake of the much lauded eye candy. Too many People define "immersion" through eyecandy, and gameplay takes a back seat. It is no surprise that now we have a discussion about storing dead bodies on a new title that will be rendered like a first person shooter.

And yes, im being calm and rational, you wouldn't like me when im angry.

TwistedFemur · 11-17-09, 11:27 PM

This thread has that sinking feeling

Lord Justice · 11-17-09, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

I am calm. Takes a bit more then this silly topic to get my dander up. I was only illustrating how stupid i thought the topic was, only i was being nice about it.

Stuff like this, is the bane of a simulation. Your original post is the posterchild of eyecandy over gameplay. I run into this crap all the time as a modder.

And yes, im being calm and rational, you wouldn't like me when im angry.

Who made u god? silly topic lol look at ur eyecandy location Davy Jones Locker

as for crap these forums are for simmers to unite discuss and help all ideas wanted, did any one say accepted!!! you starting to make me annoyed now wee man!! modder with such tenacity to frown upon any unfit suggestions?? ok got your point and bravo on the little speech , perhaps we sould all kneel to the knights of the round table first with our suggestions and ideas??? aye you would like that!!

Sky999 · 12-07-09, 10:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ducimus

Again, this is just a video game. Some folks want to take this "immersion" thing a little bit too far.

It's not a game, its a 'simulator'. It's purpose is to simulate life on a submarine, letting crew members 'vanish' into thin air to simulate their death is terribly immersion breaking.

ETR3(SS) · 12-07-09, 10:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sky999

It's not a game, its a 'simulator'. It's purpose is to simulate life on a submarine, letting crew members 'vanish' into thin air to simulate their death is terribly immersion breaking.

It's a game, based on the fact that the simulation is and always will be no where near what the real thing is.

Sky999 · 12-07-09, 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

It's a game, based on the fact that the simulation is and always will be no where near what the real thing is.

I'm certain that isn't the basis of the game.

PL_Andrev · 12-07-09, 11:08 AM

This is very interesting topic, but SH5 is a submarine simulator whose goal is to sink the enemy - no arranging funerals for killed in action.

11-17-09, 10:05 PM	#1
Lord Justice Previously 4Para Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Britain Posts: 609 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 0	Deceased Crew Members / How will crew deaths be simulated? (threads merged) havent played sh3 for quite some time, but i recall bury crew at sea question. just curious to know what mixed reactions ie choice one would do if implemented in sh5.?? forgive me if this has already been posted!! (1st lets forget proper procedure if i may) fling the rule book away for a moment, we all know its a serious sim and such it should remain, but would love your input on this. In sh3 i sent deceased crew members to the bottom if KIA at start , mid patrol, but near end i popped them into aft torpedo room, returning them to loved ones on home soil lol. now i know we have first person mode and can visit all sub rooms, plus torpedo storage and all, call me morbid if you may but what would you do??? and if this option were to be in sh5, would storing corpse of crew members have an effect on morale?? positive and negative? if bury at sea, would it be a simple disaperence of said crew member? or some kind of object on the nav map floating or sinking perhaps. ie corpse, flag, symbol, etc. iam not in any way endorsing this to be included into the sim as so many have such strong objections, guess iam after opinions. As captain of your vessel, bury at sea ? or take home to family!! ??? Last edited by Webster; 12-08-09 at 04:59 PM.

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PL_Andrev Grey Wolf Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 995 Downloads: 91 Uploads: 0	This is very interesting topic, but SH5 is a submarine simulator whose goal is to sink the enemy - no arranging funerals for killed in action. __________________

11-17-09, 10:08 PM	#2
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I think your reading into a video game too much.

11-17-09, 10:12 PM	#3
Ilpalazzo Frogman Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 309 Downloads: 20 Uploads: 0	Shark food minigame.

11-17-09, 10:16 PM	#4
Lord Justice Previously 4Para Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Britain Posts: 609 Downloads: 51 Uploads: 0	lol u think?? sh3 came up with the basic idea, whats wrong with colder torpedo tube? having said that yes we all tend to get deep in this forum, but i do like your view albeit somewhat vague.

11-17-09, 10:23 PM	#5
Webster Stowaway Posts: n/a Downloads: Uploads:	body overboard asap or if not then out the torpedo tube but off the boat they go. this is ww2 and theres no morgue with freezers onboard

11-17-09, 10:21 PM	#7
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	The sight of a comrade in arms getting mangled alone is enough to hurt moral. Seeing blood so thick pouring out of a persons head like someone pulled the drain plug from an oil pan alone is enough to hurt moral. Or seeing a huge, thick blood pool dry, and crack like a bucket of paint. Yeah, try and wash that off, blood stains like a sonofabitch. All that would hurt moral, Let alone the stench of a dead body. Again, this is just a video game. Some folks want to take this "immersion" thing a little bit too far.

11-17-09, 10:55 PM	#9
Ducimus Rear Admiral Join Date: May 2005 Posts: 12,987 Downloads: 67 Uploads: 2	I am calm. Takes a bit more then this silly topic to get my dander up. I was only illustrating how stupid i thought the topic was, only i was being nice about it. But since you want input on it, here's my unvarnished input. Stuff like this, is the bane of a simulation. Your original post is the posterchild of eyecandy over gameplay. I run into this crap all the time as a modder. People putting eyecandy over gameplay. To such a degree they want eyecandy, they'll break gameplay functionality that took days, weeks or months to get right, just for the sake of the much lauded eye candy. Too many People define "immersion" through eyecandy, and gameplay takes a back seat. It is no surprise that now we have a discussion about storing dead bodies on a new title that will be rendered like a first person shooter. And yes, im being calm and rational, you wouldn't like me when im angry.