Soldier balks at deploying; says Obama isn’t president

[Max2147]

I'm not saying you made it up, I'm saying you believe somebody who made it up.

[SteamWake]

Here is an interesting read from the Clinton News Network



http://edition.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS...gop/index.html

Here is an interesting read from the Clinton News Network

So the Rebublicans stopped using the middle name as they considered it a distraction but that media source uses it without any legal threats at all .
Well done SteamWake, you make it too easy.

[geetrue]

Originally Posted by Max2147

And as I suspected, the claim that Obama is spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to keep his birth certificate secret came from.... chain e-mails! I'll bet that the same is true for the new gem that he's an Indonesian citizen. Here's a tip - if you read something in a chain e-mail, IT'S NOT TRUE!

Now I remember where I read that information ... the same place I get all of my anti-BHO news. It was a chain email ... I'll be more careful what I read or what i believe or especially what I pass on.

I was too busy and too uninvolved to check this one out about how much BHO had spent on the cover up.

I do have on record, back in January, however a prophecy that BHO is going to take a nose dive ... those weren't the exact words just the meaning.

I didn't really understand the prophecy till just recently ...

"The Clintons are still in charge" were the exact words and then the Lord said,

"This will be the downfall of Obama"

If there is a smoking gun then Mrs Clinton is in the best position to reveal this unto us ...

BHO's time line to the white house is still in question ... I for one will concede to the birth certificate even though these things can be purchased and inserted into the paper by professionals that do this for a living (especially in 1961) (I was still in highschool when Obama was born)

Are we allowed to think without a link?

I think Obama is not, I say is not going to finish his term as the 44th President of the United States and that Vice President Joe Biden is going to become more and more important than what we all thought was important during the election.

[ETR3(SS)]

You know I've been reading this thread since it started. I watched it turn from a thread about a US Army officer refusing to deploy to a thread about Obama's birth credentials. But I think the real issue here isn't limited to just the Democrats, it's a plague that infects American politics. This plague is a lack of honesty, integrity, and a little bit of playground antics. And the American public is just as guilty and infected. The public has been infected with apathy. People don't care about what's going on with their country anymore. And with people in this state of mind they go out and vote not knowing the issues at hand? That disgusts me. I see this thread and I think to myself, regardless of the truth of these accusations, at least someone is trying to dig a little deeper! But with the media itself buying into this partisan BS, it's really hard to get the facts with out Fox News putting their spin on it or NBC or ABC or CBS, hell even the newspapers. I applaud those that wade through the rumors to seek the truth whatever it maybe, I don't care if they are Republican, Democrat, or neither. It is our duty as American citizens to find the truth and shed light on it for all to see. It's like the old saying goes "the truth hurts" and that's why people don't seek it out. The American public is afraid to face their own mistakes. As an American and a veteran I feel that I have only preserved this system of lies instead of the system our forefathers created for us.

[Max2147]

Originally Posted by ETR3(SS)

You know I've been reading this thread since it started. I watched it turn from a thread about a US Army officer refusing to deploy to a thread about Obama's birth credentials. But I think the real issue here isn't limited to just the Democrats, it's a plague that infects American politics. This plague is a lack of honesty, integrity, and a little bit of playground antics. And the American public is just as guilty and infected. The public has been infected with apathy. People don't care about what's going on with their country anymore. And with people in this state of mind they go out and vote not knowing the issues at hand? That disgusts me. I see this thread and I think to myself, regardless of the truth of these accusations, at least someone is trying to dig a little deeper! But with the media itself buying into this partisan BS, it's really hard to get the facts with out Fox News putting their spin on it or NBC or ABC or CBS, hell even the newspapers. I applaud those that wade through the rumors to seek the truth whatever it maybe, I don't care if they are Republican, Democrat, or neither. It is our duty as American citizens to find the truth and shed light on it for all to see. It's like the old saying goes "the truth hurts" and that's why people don't seek it out. The American public is afraid to face their own mistakes. As an American and a veteran I feel that I have only preserved this system of lies instead of the system our forefathers created for us.

I agree with almost everything you say. The American public needs to be more engaged and more informed about what's going on. I think too many people on both sides of the spectrum support/oppose ideas purely based on who came up with them, not based on the quality of the idea itself. They also base their opinions of people on the letter after their name, not the person's views. Both those things are very bad for our democracy.

But in this particular case, I think the real problem is that people are refusing to believe the truth, even when it's presented to them. The document that Obama released is, to quote the woman from the Hawaii Department of Health, "a valid Hawaii state birth certificate."

As you said, it's good that people dig deeper. In this case, Obama released that document, people did the digging by calling up the Hawaii authorities, and found the truth - that Obama's document is a valid birth certificate.

So now that the truth has been found, why is it still an issue? Because some people, for whatever reason, refuse to believe the truth. They present "facts" to back up their doubts, but when you examine their "facts" you find that they're just lies that somebody made up.

So in other words, digging to find the truth is great. But refusing to acknowledge the truth once you've found it, and making up fake "facts" to make your refusal seem vaid, is harmful at best.

I'm not saying that everybody who thinks Obama isn't a natural born citizen is a liar. Most of the folks who believe that are only guilty of unknowingly accepting lies at face value, not inventing the lies themselves.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Max2147

I agree with almost everything you say. The American public needs to be more engaged and more informed about what's going on. .

Dont you get it? Most are more concearned with Michal Jacksons death... at least at the moment.

It will take some time before things really start to hit home. In the meantime un-employment compensation, food stamps, and other welfare programs will get them by. That is till that begins to run out.

[Max2147]

Originally Posted by SteamWake

Dont you get it? Most are more concearned with Michal Jacksons death... at least at the moment.

It will take some time before things really start to hit home. In the meantime un-employment compensation, food stamps, and other welfare programs will get them by. That is till that begins to run out.

Like I said, the American public needs to be more informed and engaged. I don't see what you're disagreeing with.

I personally don't think that Obama's programs will lead to what you described, but that's a different discussion altogether.

[SteamWake]

Originally Posted by Tribesman

So the Rebublicans stopped using the middle name as they considered it a distraction but that media source uses it without any legal threats at all .
Well done SteamWake, you make it too easy.

Or the media makes it... well ... confusing.

They absolutly hammered McCain and others for using his middle name. The RNC knee jerked and dident want to offend anyone and put the word out to NOT use his middle name

But hey its just a name. There are more important issues to focus on here.

http://campaignspot.nationalreview.c...zQzZTJhM2RiNmY

Or references to his middle name “Hussein.” Take a look at Team Obama's response when John McCain denounced Bill Cunningham.

And what did McCain denounce Cunningham for?
Was it for using the middle name or just for talking rubbish?
The whole episode concerning McCains approach was to stop the nonsense and focus on the issues , the nonsense was good for the wingnut fringe but they already had their vote anyway .
They didn't need to campaign to get the wingnut vote they had to focus on real issues to convince ordinary voters.

[Max2147]

McCain denounced the rubbish because that was the right thing to do, and McCain is an honorable man.

For all the cr*p that went on during the last election, I thought both candidates were very respectful towards each other. McCain stood up and spoke the truth to that stupid woman at his down hall meeting who was blathering on about how Obama was a Muslim Arab, and Obama made it very clear that McCain's age and Palin's family were areas that his campaign wasn't going to touch. Unfortunately, both candidates had supporters who weren't so honorable.

[Platapus]

One 20th century President never used his middle name.

Harry S Truman.

[Stealth Hunter]

Originally Posted by Platapus

One 20th century President never used his middle name.

Harry S Truman.

A "true man" indeed.

[Subnuts]

Originally Posted by Platapus

One 20th century President never used his middle name.

Harry S Truman.

That's because his middle name was Supercalifragilisticexpialidocious.

[Zachstar]

Oh my geez even on this forum there are idiot birthers? Geez you guys serious need a life outside of tea parties.