US vs. German subs - which was better?

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Bewolf

I'd be interested in the capabilities and introductions of sonar in both american and german boats, though. Hard to get any infos on that. :hmm:

Ask and thou shall receive

http://uboat.net/articles/index.html?article=52
http://uboat.net/articles/index.html?article=45
http://204.13.154.195/sonar.html
http://www.maritime.org/fleetsub/sonar/index.htm

Enjoy

[msalama]

personally I think any swiss navy sub has got to be the best

+1

And the Mongolian boats rock too I've heard.

[Hitman]

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personally I think any swiss navy sub has got to be the best


+1

And the Mongolian boats rock too I've heard.

You ignorants!!

The best submaersibles in the world are those from the andorran high seas fleet, every child knows that!

[Subnuts]

Originally Posted by Hitman

You ignorants!!

The best submaersibles in the world are those from the andorran high seas fleet, every child knows that!

Andorra builds the best submarines in the world, it's just that they haven't yet jumped over the political hurdle of building a 70 mile long launching ramp that cuts right through France and into the Mediterranean.

Do we still remember the name of this thread ? US vs. German subs - which WAS better?

I'm 200% for German u-boats! unambiguously

And who made them better ? the best crew of that time Germany had

[kenijaru]

i'd like to quote Karl Dönitz's memoirs on this subject (please note that i have a spanish translation, so the words on what I type here and what you have over there in you'r home will probably differ a bit).

Originally Posted by Dönitz

(Refering to submersibles)
the fighting capabilities of a submarine do not increase, as oposite to surface vessels, when it's size is increased. Quite de opposite, many of the peculiarities that caracterize it's fighting abilities loose all meaning if the submarine has a displacement bigger than a certain ammount of Tns.
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the inmersion manouver becomes more difficult, the tecnical management of the submarine travel becomes more complicated, it's harder to turn, both on the surface and submerged, and keeping it under control at periscope depth is also more complicated. (i asume you all know the fact that 2 rods, with the same degree of inclination (say... 30º) from the floor, if one is bigger it will reach higher, well, the same happens to the bow and stern of the sub, and if any broke the water surface, it wouldn't be good)
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A bigger submarine will be able to carry more suplies and weapons but, a submarine crew, even at top phisical conditions, will not endure more than 2 or 3 months on the open sea. Therefore, the increased operational range of a submarine has a relative value.
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a 500ton (type VIIA) sub would be best fit for the task, both because it was easily controled (specially compared to the larger type I) and had greater firepower and range than that of the type II.
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(going back to the first quote) the fact that the bigger the ship, the stronger it is, is not completly true for a submarine. A big submarine, because of it's limited capabilities when doing some recon, will be rendered useless.
It's worth noticing, the fact that we could only build submarines equals to a limited total displacement, the limit already been set in a signed treaty, and that's why we tried to make the most efficient use of such a limited displacement. So it was better to build 4 500t submarines rather than 1 2000t submarine.

well, i know it's nt the best translation any of us has ever seen but... i sortof did my best

[Sailor Steve]

@ Contact: Sometimes people just need to unwind and have a little fun. As for your being in favor of German submarines, are you just saying which ones you like the best or do you have some new points to make?

@ Kenijaru: That's a good quote from Dönitz, but you don't comment on it. Do you think it applies to all submarine warfare, or just to the war Germany had to fight in the Atlantic? Do you think they would have been better off without the Type IX and Type XXI?

[Mush Martin]

Further too that Size doesnt count for ****

Design and construction matter.

You could probably have broken hood with two torpedos
dead centre.

but the same to torpedos probably would have left
a Japanese momi class still afloat despite a lack of armour.

Compartmentalization Machinery dispersal and armour.

surviving battle damage is possible if the pumps are still running.
but with no back up generators on a lot of RN ships (early)
damage control would prove impossible on the heels of power failures.

lessons were learned on all sides over the course of the war.
but it comes down to design construction and crew training.
these three things determine the odds of survival for your ship.

M

[antikristuseke]

Bah, you are all a bunch of pansies with your radar this and diesel that. Real men go to war in subs with steam turbines, like the K class.

[Orion2012]

German.

[Task Force]

It realy depends on where the sub is operating. fleet boats were better in the picific, U-boats were better in the atlanic. When inacuality niether were better because they were built to work in diffrent enviorments.

[Puster Bill]

Originally Posted by antikristuseke

Bah, you are all a bunch of pansies with your radar this and diesel that. Real men go to war in subs with steam turbines, like the K class.

Nope. Battle of May Island notwithstanding, REAL men go to war in subs that are hand-cranked:

[Platapus]

Originally Posted by Puster Bill

Nope. Battle of May Island notwithstanding, REAL men go to war in subs that are hand-cranked:

Wow what a cool graphic. Is that from a game or did you make that yourself?

[Puster Bill]

Originally Posted by Platapus

Wow what a cool graphic. Is that from a game or did you make that yourself?

I did a GIS for "hunley". It was on the first page of results.

[Kongo Otto]

Originally Posted by Subnuts

Andorra builds the best submarines in the world, it's just that they haven't yet jumped over the political hurdle of building a 70 mile long launching ramp that cuts right through France and into the Mediterranean.

I´ve heared that they build some very good U-Boots in Zimbabwe either.